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    “The Über Pretzel” Route Details (Watopia)

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    First came The Pretzel at 72km long and 1,333m of elevation. Then the Mega Pretzel arrived, 107km long with 1,642m of elevation. Now there’s a new king of the hill: “The Über Pretzel”.

    Released as part of Zwift’s Fuego Flats desert expansion, this route covered every bit of tarmac available in Watopia at the time of its release – sometimes in both directions. It is most similar to the Mega Pretzel, but adds the Fuego Flats desert roads, the Radio Tower climb, and an Alpe du Zwift finish. Wow!

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    First came The Pretzel at 72km long and 1,333m of elevation. Then the Mega Pretzel arrived, 107km long with 1,642m of elevation. Now there’s a new king of the hill: “The Über Pretzel”.

    Released as part of Zwift’s Fuego Flats desert expansion, this route covered every bit of tarmac available in Watopia at the time of its release – sometimes in both directions. It is most similar to the Mega Pretzel, but adds the Fuego Flats desert roads, the Radio Tower climb, and an Alpe du Zwift finish. Wow!

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    Route Basics

    Length: 128.3 km (79.7 miles)
    Elevation:
    2335 m (7,661‘)
    Lead-In: 0.5 km (0.3 miles)
    Map: Watopia

    Start & Finish

    When freeriding you will spawn just before the downtown start/finish line. Events start at the downtown start pens. Our Strava segment begins where free rides and events converge, so all rides will match the one segment.

    Restriction: Level 6+

    Achievement Badge: 2560 XP

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    Sprint & KQOM Segments

    Epic KOM (9.5 km, 3.9%)
    Volcano KOM (3.8 km, 3.2%)
    JWB Sprint Reverse (0.2 km, 0%)
    Fuego Flats Reverse (7.1 km, 0%)
    Hilly KOM Reverse (2.4 km, 2%)
    Fuego Flats Sprint (0.5 km, 0.2%)
    JWB Sprint Reverse ( km, %)
    Alpe du Zwift KOM (12.2 km, 8.5%)

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    Route Description

    Route profile by ZwiftHub – the place to plan and track your route achievements!

    Beginning in downtown Watopia, you head straight for the Epic KOM. Once you cross the banner you’ll hang a left for the cursed Radio Tower climb, then it’s a quick descent to a left turn onto the jungle route.

    Complete one Jungle Circuit lap and head over to the Volcano for a trip to the top. Then it’s down the Volcano, over the Esses, and zig-zagging our way to Fuego Flats in a reverse direction.

    We drop down from Fuego Flats onto Ocean Boulevard, then hit the Hilly KOM reverse and back onto Fuego Flats in a forward direction. Once we hit Ocean Boulevard again we head back to Watopia’s city center, then make our way out to the final section of this route: Alpe du Zwift. Enjoy!

    You must be level 6+ to access The Über Pretzel in a free ride. Alternatively, you can join a group ride or Meetup held on this route–but Über Pretzel group rides are exceedingly rare.

     

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    Harry Roberts
    Harry Roberts(@harryroberts)
    2 years ago

    Your Strava segment doesn’t accurately match what Zwift uses to award the badge for the Uber. If you start from the starting pens you are awarded the badge but you don’t show up on your strava segment. It would be nice if your segment included people that start in the pens as well as ones that don’t. I thought I posted this basic comment over the weekend on one of your pages but it didn’t look like this page. Are there 2 pages for the Uber? Old and new?

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    Harry Roberts
    Harry Roberts(@harryroberts)
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Harry Roberts

    After posting I read the page. I see you plan on 2 segments but wouldn’t one be simpler and better? I’m not excited about having 2 different segments. Seems like you could just move the start to the point where the free ride start and the pens start come together.

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    Chan Stevens
    Chan Stevens(@chanstevens)
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Harry Roberts

    This is common to many of the Watopia “events” versus selecting the route planer and riding on your own. Events spawn from starting pens, free rides spawn from slightly different locations. There’s no single Strava segment solution that would work for both modes. Zwift did recently offer some flexibility to credit your route badge and award XP if riding on your own or through an event (nice touch, AFTER I’d done several of these as events with no badge :-/). So if your goal is the official Zwift Insider Verified segment, you’ll need to be careful and look at his… Read more »

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    Harry Roberts
    Harry Roberts(@harryroberts)
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Chan Stevens

    I think there is a Single Strava Segment solution. Just have to move the start point of the segment to a point where the two different entry points intersect the route. Pretty simple.

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    Christian
    Christian
    2 years ago

    Seems a real shame at the uber segment doesn’t work for events. Can this not be edited to start at the point where the route and events meet just after the pier ramp?

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    Eric Schlange
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    Eric Schlange(@eschlange)
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Christian

    This is how it’s set up now. Let’s ride!

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    Rob Martin
    Rob Martin(@rob_f_martin)
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Eric Schlange

    Eric, is it a glitch that after you set a new start of the segment that is (presumably) within the original segment, it still clears out your segment time from Route Hunter? Logically, you’d think that I’ve already ridden the new segment because it is within the old segement.
    I was really hoping to not have to do that route again – I’ve got the badge after all.

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    Alex Fuller
    Alex Fuller(@atfuller)
    2 years ago

    So Norseman is this upcoming weekend and I’m trying to figure out the best bike for this course. Lots of climbing – but also a lot of flat. It also depends on whether it’s non-drafting (doesn’t say it’ll be non-drafting, but it was in 2018 and they didn’t say anything before about that).

    So – assuming there is draft, I’m thinking Cannondale Evo and 454s?

    If non-draft, maybe a TT bike for most of it and then switch to light bike on Alpe?

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    George Saunders
    George Saunders
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Alex Fuller

    I was thinking Tarmac Pro with either 454/Enve 3.4/lightweight

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    Daniel Connelly
    Daniel Connelly
    2 years ago
    Reply to  George Saunders

    Let’s say you can average 30 kph on flat roads. Let’s say you can do steep climbs at 1000 VAM on top of the time for the equivalent flat distance. Then the distance would account for around 256 minutes = 4.3 hours. Climbing would add around 2.3 hours. Total 6.6 hours but more flat than climbing speed. So check the tables, and take 2 parts Fuego time to 1 part climbing time. So definitely not lightweights: the DT Suisse wheels would be a good option. But use the mountain bike on the jungle climb.

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    Julián Alzate
    Julián Alzate
    2 years ago

    Does anyone know what could have happened? I finished today, chose the route, just me, not an event, did the whole thing and didn’t get the badge, it was my fifth climb to alpe so as sson as I passed the banner I received the avid climber badge but no badge for the route, just to make sure I went all around the top and crossed the banner again and no luck, so kept going and went down a few km and no, nothing happened, I have no badge for it. I did a total of 134,3km and the badge… Read more »

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    Szabolcs
    Szabolcs
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Julián Alzate

    It’s a bug. I did it yesterday. 165+ km and no badge for the route.

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    Julián Alzate
    Julián Alzate
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Szabolcs

    Thanks for your reply, I wanted to do a century ride but at 133km I was really exhausted and the no badge situation kind of killed me so I quit hehe.

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    heloo227
    heloo227
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Szabolcs

    me too today 161km mo badge

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    David BigJohn
    David BigJohn
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Julián Alzate

    The same happened to me too yesterday. 142km…rolled down the Alpe afterwards.
    Not sure if I want to this ride again! :O
    If it is a bug – I hope they will give it to people once they check their rides…..
    How do you let Zwift know?

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    Julián Alzate
    Julián Alzate
    2 years ago
    Reply to  David BigJohn

    Hello, I have no idea but I just sent a complaint through the support page to Zwift explaining the whole situation, that I didn’t get the badge and the xp points and attached 2 images proving that I did finish the route, the strava segment and the route in the zwift page. If something happens I will write here whatever the outcome is.

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    David BigJohn
    David BigJohn
    2 years ago
    Reply to  David BigJohn

    The unsatisfactory reply I got! Btw – I had the latest updates and stable wifi! Hi David, Thank you for your message, I apologize for the late response, as you can imagine we are doing our best with the current volume of support requests. ​ While I would love to credit your account for the missing badges, we don’t have the technical capabilities to do so and I apologize profusely for that. What you really need to do is update your game and application – as long as all the devices you play on are on the latest version, you… Read more »

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    Andy
    Andy
    2 years ago

    Julian, I just did route and didn’t get the badge either. Got the spinner at the top of the alp, but no route achievement banner across the bottom of the screen. Really don’t want to do this one again.

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    Julián Alzate
    Julián Alzate
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Andy

    Yeah, this is one badge from a route I hardly doubt I’ll do it again so I think is a n no badge for me. Maybe if one day I commit myself to do the century ride without thinking about the badge.

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    Derek Kuhl
    Derek Kuhl
    2 years ago

    If someone does this route and gets the badge, please post here. I would love to know if this bug gets cleared before I take my group on this route.

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    Tom Eades
    Tom Eades
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Derek Kuhl

    I just did it, no badge.

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    Ben Ri
    Ben Ri
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Derek Kuhl

    Did the full route and more yesterday, no archivement… zwift support told me that there is an lead in (YOU DONT SAY ZWIFT)…. no chance on doing this route twice…

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    Ben Ri
    Ben Ri
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Ben Ri

    here is the activity: https://zwift.com/activity/632981137458833424  

    whats “wrong” with that?

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    Julián Alzate
    Julián Alzate
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Ben Ri

    Yup, zwift answered me with exactly the same thing, the lead in, of course we know that, they simply won’t give us the badge, that excuse is lame.

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    Barry
    Barry
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Derek Kuhl

    No badge here 🙁

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    Julián Alzate
    Julián Alzate
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Barry

    Guess what, no badge for me either last week with this route and today no badge for the four horsemen. Damn my luck.

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    Vicky Steadman
    Vicky Steadman
    2 years ago

    I did this today. No badge. Gutted.

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    Renald McQueen
    Renald McQueen
    2 years ago

    No badge after all that

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    Andy Bolton
    Andy Bolton
    2 years ago

    Finished the Uber Pretzel earlier today – no badge at the top of the Alpe. Continued back down the Alpe, no badge. Continued following the Zwift trail around the jungle to the next check point, no badge. Gave up at 145km

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    Ben Ri
    Ben Ri
    2 years ago

    I did the route today (selected as course) and got the badge. So Badge Fix confirmed 🙂 Even got the Lightweight Weels, maybe because i had to do it twice? hahaha..

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    Daniel Underwood
    Daniel Underwood
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Ben Ri

    Rode today and also got the badge. 180W average at 84kg took my 5hrs 30 mins which included some breaks.

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    Michael Witzel
    Michael Witzel
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Daniel Underwood

    I got the badge yesterday. 166W avg at 69 kg in 5:14:49

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    Carina Fisker
    Carina Fisker
    2 years ago

    Did the course on 24th of November and got the badge. 129 km, 2388 m in 10hr 12min.
    NEVER EVER will I drive this route again.

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    Pascal Kolkman
    Pascal Kolkman
    2 years ago

    Got the badge today, Feb 23, 2021. Also the Avid Climber badge for 5 times Alpe du Zwift Climb. Finished just under 5:30 hrs. Did swap to Mountain Bike for the Jungle Route. Also took a short stop for a good meal just before the Alpe du Zwift. Good choice: a PR.

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    Graham
    Graham
    2 years ago

    Can anyone tell me why this ride https://www.strava.com/activities/3460198342 is not showing up on the Strava segment?

    It was done as a meetup, so I don’t think it should have the start pens issue. Has the segment been changed since last May or something? Bit annoyed that it isn’t showing as I have no intention of riding it again just to get it to show up on VeloViewer…

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    Graham
    Graham
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Graham

    I checked the start point of my ride and it is significantly before the start of the Strava segment. I don’t see any differences either. I don’t know if I could raise it with Strava or something?

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    Eric Schlange
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    Eric Schlange(@eschlange)
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Graham

    Yes, segment changed. Just change your activity type to a different one, then save it… it’ll match up to new segments.

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    Whitney Stidham
    Whitney Stidham
    1 year ago

    Completed this route on 6/5/21; took me 5:11:01 to finish. Ok, so I know this intimidates a lot of people because you finish on L’Alp. The number one trick is pacing; know your limits and don’t push too hard. You do get Epic KOM and Radio Tower out of the way quickly. Switching to the mountain bike in the jungle with help with your time. You make two passes through Tempus Fugit; chat up some riders and get a draft through there if you can. A small group knew I was doing the route and gave me a draft on… Read more »

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    Lartbar
    Lartbar
    1 year ago

    So what’s your setup recommendation? I thought about SL7 + new alpine wheels until the top of radio tower and then switch to the tron bike until I get to alpe. With a route this massive a bike-switch seems to make sense. Our how did you tackle it? Tron all the way as loosing a couple of minutes on the climbes does not matter when you’re riding this beast of a route anyway?

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    Mika Alen
    Mika Alen
    1 year ago
    Reply to  Lartbar

    I don’t have the Tron so I went with Cannondale Evo/Enve uphill (Epic&AdZ) and Canyon TT/Zipp 808 downhill and flat. Switched to mtb for the jungle part.
    As the scroll function was disabled I did a meet up to chose the route.
    Badge confirmed at 129km/2386m.
    Won the polka dot socks at the finnish line lottery or maybe the kevel up to 28.

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    Tom Coffey
    Tom Coffey
    1 year ago

    Where are the 1000s of riders who signed up for the Z INSIDER events from Dec 2000 to April 2001?

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    Jim Stein
    Jim Stein
    11 months ago

    Yesterday I rode the Uber Pretzel, wrongly thinking it was going to be easier than the PRL Full that I had completed 3 weeks ago. It’s 45 km shorter and though it ends with ADZ, its 160 m less total elevation and I love to climb anyway. Piece of cake, right? WRONG! As a disclaimer, I’m almost 58 years old and got my 4th mRNA booster 4 days prior, but felt fine. I am at level 33 and I rode it alone. I approached it as a climb (Chapter 2 TOA w/ Lightweight Meilenstein wheels), then a long flat (Canyon… Read more »

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    Philippe
    Philippe
    2 months ago

    Just completed this route solo this morning in 5h01 (5h14 with the descent). I’m a big rider (6’4″, 97 kg) with a 3,3 W / Kg FTP. Did it all with the Tron Bike. Didn’t want to break the rythm and switch bikes in the Jungle since it only comes after 45-75 minutes, depending on the rider. I took two breaks. The first one on top of the Volcano KOM and the second one before the Epic KOM, with only 19 kms to go. I changed clothes (what a relief!), ate and filled up my bottles at each break. After… Read more »

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    Trevor Holdsworth
    Trevor Holdsworth
    1 month ago

    Just sharing my experience: I failed on my first attempt by stupidly going too hard up Epic Kom, switching to the handcycle to race people down the descent etc etc, At 60+km I was toast by the time I got to Epic Kom.Not even halfway.
    Attempt 2 worked – light bike and wheels for climbing (Scott Addict) a steady pace up Epic Kom (2 – 2.2W/Kg), switch to Canyon Aeroad + disc wheels for descents and flat, Canyon Grail for Jungle Loop, and so on. Change clothes at about halfway, Youtube for entertainment, and Robert’s your proverbial Uncle.

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