Rebel Routes – Manual Navigation on Zwift

“Rebel Routes” are Zwift rides that are not available on Zwift’s routes list, thus requiring manual navigation. The reward for your rebel ride? Exploring a new route, knowing you’ve gone where few Zwifters have gone before. And a Strava segment rank in the tens or hundreds instead of the thousands!

Here are all of Zwift Insider’s Rebel Routes. Enjoy!

Canyon to Cavern (Makuri Islands)

  • Distance: 13.41km (8.33 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 87m (284′)
  • We think the connector roads between Urukazi and Neokyo/Yumezi are some of the coolest parts of the Urukazi expansion, so we made this route which takes you on the shortest loop possible covering both of these connector roads.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Cliffside Epic Double (Watopia)

  • Distance: 52.71km (32.75 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 991m (3,252′)
  • Ready for a bit of climbing? This route is a longish one up the Epic KOM in both directions, with some flats in between. Suggested by James Bailey.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Dirty Temple KOM Loop (Makuri Islands)

  • Distance: 4.37km (2.7 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 75m (247′)
  • Grab your gravel bike for this one, because it’s all dirt. This short loop takes you up repeated partial climbs of the all-dirt Temple KOM. A great route if you’re looking to do some VO2 intervals!
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Down Up Down (Watopia)

  • Distance: 49.35km (30.7 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 1257m (4,124′)
  • Planned along the same theme as the infamous Badwater Ultramarathon, this route takes you from the lowest point on Watopia to the highest point then back again. Suggested by Craig Devonshire.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Epic Loop (Watopia)

  • Distance: 14.4km (9.2 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 378m (1,240′)
  • A climber’s dream! This loop begins atop the Epic KOM, descends to the bypass road, cuts across, then climbs up. Perfect for ~20-minute sweetspot intervals.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Fower Power (Scotland)

  • Distance: 19.74km (12.27 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 214m (702′)
  • Complete each of the four (“fower” in Scots) loops of the Scotland map in a counterclockwise direction, starting in Glasgow at the southwest side of the map and working your way northeast to the Tower area.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Hilly KOM Bypass Loop (Watopia)

  • Distance: 2.5km (1.6 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 31m (101′)
  • A pitchy little number covering the upper portion of Watopia’s oldest climb, “the KOM”. Great for building sprint/anaerobic power by going easy on the descents and all in for the climbs.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

KOMonster (Watopia)

  • Distance: 99.8km (62.1 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 2570m (8433′)
  • When this was created, it was our most challenging Rebel Route, taking on every timed KOM segment on Watopia, since no official Zwift routes accomplished this. (It is now outdated.)
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Litus Fugit (Watopia)

  • Distance: 61km (37.9 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 269m (882′)
  • This is the flattest Zwift route over 30km, with only 4.4 meters of climbing per kilometer of riding. And it’s a loopable route, not a one-way affair like many of Zwift’s southern coast routes.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Mangrove Circuit (Makuri Islands)

  • Distance: 1.88km (1.17 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 13m (42′)
  • Our smallest Rebel Route to date, this twisty circuit keeps you on the Mangrove Maze portion of Urukazi.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Nessie’s Loop (Scotland)

  • Distance: 1.89km (1.17 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 15m (49′)
  • Our smallest Scotland Rebel Route, this quick loop always has the Loch in its center and includes the rarely-ridden Breakaway Brae Reverse climb each time around.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Sgurr 8 (Scotland)

  • Distance: 12.62km (7.84 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 150m (492′)
  • A figure 8 route that takes you up and over the Sgurr’s gravel climb twice, but also lets you enjoy some of Scotland’s best scenery.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Summit City Velodrome (Watopia)

  • Distance: 2.53km (1.57 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 0m (0′)
  • 10 laps of the Ciudad La Cumbre traffic circle makes an excellent stand-in for an outdoor Watopian velodrome.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

The Full Makuri (Makuri Islands)

  • Distance: 80.9km (50.3 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 650m (2132′)
  • Cover the full Makuri Islands map in the shortest distance possible.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

The Full New York (New York)

The Full Watopia (Watopia)

The Marvelous Metric (Watopia)

  • Distance: 102km (63.4 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 489m (1604′)
  • The flattest long route in Watopia, by a long shot! Created to host long group rides.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

The Perimeter (Watopia)

The Roads Less Traveled (Watopia)

  • Distance: 53.6km (33.3 miles) + Lead-In of 5.7km (3.5 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 437m (1433′)
  • This route includes all four of the rarely-traveled road sections Zwift added back in December 2020. In fact, when this route was created, it covered three of those four roads in a direction no official Zwift route covered.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

The Snake (Watopia)

  • Distance: 77.4km (48.1 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 661m (2170′)
  • A true “Out and Back” route that covers most of the roads in Watopia proper in both directions, meaning you’ll hit 5 timed KOMs and 3 timed sprints.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Toutes les Routes (France)

  • Distance: 104.8km (65.1 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 1968m (6,458′)
  • We wanted a route that covered all the roads in France… so we made one! This is our longest Rebel Route yet, and the first to break 100km.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Urukazi Flats (Makuri Islands)

  • Distance: 7.51km (4.67 miles)
  • Elevation Gain: 22m (71′)
  • Take the flattest route possible around the Urukazi Island complex so you can see all three sections with minimal elevation gain.
  • Read all about this Rebel Route >

Tamed Rebels

Several routes that began as Rebel Routes eventually made it into Zwift! We’ve removed them from the list above, but you can see the details of the official Zwift routes below:

Got Suggestions?

Got an idea for a Rebel Route? Share below, and it just might make the official list!

Eric Schlange
Eric Schlangehttps://zwiftinsider.com
Eric runs Zwift Insider in the spare time he finds between riding his bike and managing various business interests. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife Monica. Follow on Strava

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WesFree
5 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Dear Eric,
During the last 48 hours or so, there have been drastic changes made on Strava/Insider Verified Routes. What have you done? The Route Hunter leaderboard yesterday was blown apart, and at one point NO ONE had completed the Watopia Figure 8 Reverse Course?! Now some have appeared to have it put back, but mine’s not appearing (though it was there previously)… https://www.strava.com/activities/3975431201 What’s going on?

James Smallridge
James Smallridge
5 years ago
Reply to  WesFree

I would love to know the outcome to this thread. On my route hunter leader board the same has happened to the volcano route too. I cant seem to add them back…

James Smallridge
James Smallridge
5 years ago

Just seen this on veloviewer…. facebook page….

Morning all. Lots of people getting in touch about a few segments no longer showing times/ticks in the Zwift Insider leaderboards. Eric from Zwift Insider creates and maintains the list of segments used in these leaderboards and he sends me the list of segment ids to use. After Strava’s changes last week he took the opportunity to correct a few segments where the start/end weren’t exactly in the right place e.g. Volcano Circuit, Flat Route, Figure 8 Reverse on Watopia (Short) leaderboard.
UPDATE: We’ve swapped Volcano back to the old segment so that is good now. Strava looks to be slowly populating the leaderboards for the other two new segments. It may well be taking a number of days to do this. You can usually force the segment to be picked up on your activity that contains your PR for each segment by doing one of the following which may or may not work:
1. Use the Refresh achievements button on the Activity Details page on the Strava website, or…
2. Change the activity type (for example to Surfing) and and once it has finished switching, switch it back to Virtual Ride, or…
3. Crop the first data point from the ride.
Hopefully then you will get the segment matched and therefore a place on the segment leaderboard which is required to have a time/tick pulled into the leaderboard on VeloViewer.

Carl J
Carl J
4 years ago
Reply to  WesFree

Blame Strava. @eric didn’t do anything (in fact, I believe he got them to put back/keep some of the Strava segments).
There’s a post on here that talks about it

MATTHEW YANKOW
MATTHEW YANKOW
4 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Ok here it is, the best route. Cipe Repeat Route.

https://www.strava.com/activities/6224670024

Start at the jungle pens. U-Turn and climb the reverse epic for an ‘epic’ lead-in. Then once at the top your lap starts at the arch. Head downhill to the bypass road and make a left. At the end of the bypass road make another left and head back up the reverse epic. Once you reach the top you are done with lap one. Half the course is downhill so it should be a pretty easy course to do laps on 🙂

Vegard Hamar
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Vegard Hamar(@hamveg)
4 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

My rebel route (unless someone else have already posted it) is basically a reverse of Watopias Waistband but starting in Downtown Watopia.

You can stat by selecting “Ocean Lava Cliffside Loop” but at 8.2 when you can see the Epic KOM reverse, you take a left turn avoiding the big climb but down in the Sequioa Circle, you turn right towards the Epic KOM. But as you climb out of the tunnels and see the Epic KOM looming before you, take a left again towards the Desert then right towards the Desert. From here you cross the Flats and at the other side take another left towards Downtown, and followed by straight ahead and right towards Downtown and the finish.

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Andy Platt
Andy Platt
6 years ago

I like to do a route that combines ‘Sand and Sequoias’ with the ‘Watopia Flat Route’, linked together by the bridge between Ocean Boulevard and Fuego Flats. I usually do S&S first, turn left as I come out of the National Park to go over that bridge and then left again onto OB to do the Flat Route clockwise, and then once through Downtown, return to Fuego Flats over the bridge again. I call it ‘The British Isles’ because, well, the route looks a bit like the British Isles leaning over a bit. It’s around 34km and 250m elevation I think.

Patrick
Patrick
6 years ago

So would it be possible to load the segment into a garmin and ride the route with navigational options. I believe it is possible to take a gpx and make this into a zwift file. Would it then be possible to ride a rebel route?

Jon
Jon
6 years ago

Triple flat loops RR seems not to be working anymore. Just done it and nothing showing on Strava

Charlie Dill
Charlie Dill
6 years ago
Reply to  Jon

Are we supposed to see something particular in Strava for these Rebel Routes?

S Williams
S Williams
6 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Dill

Due to the amount of useless Strava segments associated to a Zwift route, I had to use Strava in a browser to unhide the two segments: The Snake and Downtown Titans. Both of these are Zwift Insider Verified but were flagged as hidden so not visible in the Strava app.

Charlie Dill
Charlie Dill
6 years ago

Just did my first Rebel Route. Triple Flat Loops. Strava Segments in Zwift are completely overdone. I wish Strava would allow Zwift / Zwift Insider to determine the Strava segments on Zwift. I suspect they would be limited to sprints, climbs, routes and other more significant sections rather than .3 miles of random road which seem to be everywhere.

Al Kquarius
Al Kquarius
6 years ago

I did a rebel route which I really liked. Starting Downtown ride the watopia wasteband until you’re back Downtown
From there head east, Climb Titans Grove north to south, head west and then north up Ocean’s Boulevard towards Downtown, but before you reach it turn left and ride the Hilly Route until you cross the Downtown Finish a 2nd time. The route is 51 km long and covers an elevation of 338m. Which for 51km is rather flat, I think.

Kris Palmer
Kris Palmer
6 years ago

Hi Eric, I have been attacking the Rebel Routes as I have completed all my Zwift badges. I rode the Eastern Eight yesterday and it did not register on VeloViewer for some reason, I followed the directions precisely. What am I missing? Thank you for all your content, I have referred many Zwifters to your blog. Kris

Joe Sykes
Joe Sykes
6 years ago

Do I have write down all the direction notes to do aRebel Route?

Davide
6 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Hi Eric i have a question fo you. When zwift is planning to introduce a new rute or a new scenario?

Peter Higgins
Peter Higgins
5 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Could Rebel Route cue sheets include distances (in km or miles), just to help us keep an eye out when getting close to a turn?

Reagan Isaac (Manitou MTB)
Reagan Isaac (Manitou MTB)
6 years ago

Due to the lack of shorter routes with the Titan’s Grove expansion, I’ve been thinking of a few rebel routes for the area including this one:

Start at the Downtown Banner heading toward the Zwift KOM, take a left onto Ocean Boulevard, left towards Fuego Flats. Turn right into Titan’s Grove, then a right towards the the Epic KOM and Ocean Boulevard. Take a right onto Ocean Boulevard, then a left towards the Italian Villas. Next, a left towards the Italian Villas, then a right into the Sprint and the Esses. Then take the right towards Downtown after the Esses and sprint through the finish banner.

Basically this route is a hilly version of the Watopia’s Waistband route.

WesFree
5 years ago

You should ride the “Downtown Titans” Rebel Route… It’s already set up!

Reagan Isaac (Manitou MTB)
Reagan Isaac (Manitou MTB)
6 years ago

Here is a fun flat route that I like to do when I feel like going fast and don’t want to climb:
Select the Flat Route, and roll through the Downtown arch towards the KOM. Take a left onto Ocean Boulevard, and continue all the way to Sequoia Circle, take left towards the Epic KOM. Ride till you turn left towards Fuego Flats up the section of road only ridden when riding the Uber Pretzel or free-riding. Hit the Fuego Flats Reverse segment, grab the jersey and then hang left towards Downtown after passing the desert start pens. Turn right towards Downtown when you reach Ocean Boulevard then another right away from the KOM. Take a right towards the Volcano Circuit around the Volcano Circuit CCW, then stay right up to the Italian Villas, take a right to the 360 Bridge, then a right towards the Wind Farm. Once through the piers, turn left onto Ocean Boulevard and follow all the way till you reach the KOM/Downtown junction. Turn right towards Downtown, sprint through the Banner and you’re done!

Reagan Isaac (Manitou MTB)
Reagan Isaac (Manitou MTB)
6 years ago

This route is for those who want to ride every single road in Watopia in one direction, but in the shortest possible distance:
Select the Hilly Route to begin, then head up the KOM. Descend the KOM, hang right towards the Italian Villas, then left toward the Volcano. Take the Volcano CW around, then up and down the Volcano KOM, continue CW around the Volcano through the banner and past the KOM junction. Hang left towards Downtown on the glass bridge, then another left at the Sprint Junction. Head through Downtown then left along Ocean Boulevard. Take another left towards Fuego Flats. Continue around Fuego Flats, then left at Titan’s Grove towards the Epic KOM. Climb the Epic KOM plus the Radio Tower. Descend and take a left towards the Jungle. Go CW around the Jungle then go up the Alpe. Descend the the Alpe and continue CW around the Jungle and climb back up. Hang left towards the Italian Villas across the piers and hit the Esses. Head through Downtown again, this is the last time you’ll see it and all the new Zwifters. Take a left onto Ocean Boulevard and follow the tunnel to Sequoia Circle. Hang left towards the Epic KOM, the another left towards Fuego Flats. Take another left towards Titan’s Grove, hit the KOM, then descend till you turn right towards Fuego Flats. Ride through the desert lead-in, and take the sprint jersey if you can. Through the arch and you’re done!

Thomas
Thomas
5 years ago

Hi, how Long is your proposed Route?

craig devonshire
craig devonshire
6 years ago

My idea for a rebel route is like the badwater challenge. Go from the lowest point in watatopia to the highest point and back again. Simple but brutal

Brian Cooper
Brian Cooper
6 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Is this the new “Down Up Down”? I noticed VeloViewer have got three new Rebel Routes listed and I was looking for the turns – are they coming up on site soon or shall I wing it 🙂

Hugh Grainger
Hugh Grainger
6 years ago

Can’t open Eastern Eight above for some reason.

anderfo
anderfo
6 years ago
Reply to  Hugh Grainger

Me neither.

Also waiting for the writeups of “Down Up Down” and “Petite Douleur” as well. But I found them on the Zwift Insider leaderboards 🙂

Chuck
Chuck
6 years ago

I’m a newbie to Zwift. Can someone point me to step-by-step instructions on how to do these rides? Thanks

Stewart
Stewart
6 years ago

Hi Eric…..will you be publishing a post for the ‘Down Up Down’ route that is listed on the Veloviewer leaderboards?

Stewart
Stewart
6 years ago
Reply to  Stewart

Sorry…..ignore….just saw your earlier comments….

Tom
Tom
5 years ago

Gravel route idea: combining reverse Seaside Sprint and the Jungle circuit to create a route that favours the gravel bikes more than Road to Ruins?

K. Hill
K. Hill
5 years ago

Just started zwift this week and did part of idea for figure 8 route , start at DT/ pier, Hill loop reverse, turn over to titan reverse before DT/pier, over titan reverse, then up ocean to hilly forward and around, then back down Ocean to Titan Forward and finish back at pier/finish banner. About 600meters gain and 52 KM

Temps 09
Temps 09
5 years ago

Route ideas called 6 Rings in lower parts of watopia. Rolling/hilly route of a couple hours. Start at Downtown and head into Volcano CCW. Then once one lap done head over to the Feugo Flats via the land bridge/small gravel climb /little italy onto ocean road and sequoia circle. Turn to epic but then turn into desert once out underwater tunnel. Funego reverse over to ocean and down to hill reverse. Down and over to titans grove, geyser first and dinos on the way out. Back under the ocean to little Italy into the Esses for the finish at the downtown pier banner. About 40mi 1500ft of vertical. Much of climbing in the the back third of the ride.

Temps 09
Temps 09
5 years ago

For an early add on to the 6 Rings route idea is Volcano climb early on after the falter lap of the volcano, then once down cross the land bridge over to little italy.

Temps 09
Temps 09
5 years ago

Did the 6 rings route yesterday. 37miles about 1400feet gain over 2hrs to finish. A possible add on is volcano climb on the way to the finish before the drop down to the pier. Turn to the Volcano climb using the volcano circuit then back down and over to the pier or finish KOM. Great race/ event route D/C = 1 lap, B = 1 lap + volcano climb, A = two laps(turn back on to volcano CCW before dropping down to finish) + volcano climb after second lap.

Jon
Jon
5 years ago

Hi Eric,
I tried The Perimeter rebel route today. Navigation looked easy enough because there’s only three manual turns. I set off on The bigger route and everything went fine till I got to the Radio tower climb. As directed I took the left turn to do the climb but when I came back down I was directed to The castle, i.e. right turn at the bottom rather than left which would take people to the Alpe. Not realising that was the wrong way I took and only realised later on I’d gone completely the wrong way. I don’t know if this is common or just a glitch but it might be a change to the way Zwift directs people on this route.

Jon

Eric White
Eric White
5 years ago

I recently started messing around with manual navigation and then stumbled into Rebel Routes. I really like what I’ve done so far. Have you considered adding cumulative distances for each of the turns and then including turns and distances in a PDF?

Jerry Weiss
Jerry Weiss
5 years ago

Waistband 8.
https://www.strava.com/segments/26351573?filter=my_results

Tick Tock start but go to downtown instead of back to desert; then
Volcano CCW : exit for Italian Village
Right towards 360 Bridge
Right towards Seqoia Circle
RIght towards desert
Start and and End at Sprint Arch

About 20 flat miles so less than hour for most strong riders

Darren
5 years ago

Here is my rebel route. I call it Titans 8. Start with Sands and Sequoia, then a lap of Tick TocK followed by a reverse Sands and Sequoia reverse. its 57 km with 400 meters of climbing. Bonus is the chance to ride with two different pace partners. https://www.strava.com/activities/4415595134

Temps 09
Temps 09
5 years ago

Came up with a point to point route called Ruins to Ruins. Can run either direction. Jungle to Desert direction: Pick jungle route and do a lap of the the jungle and out over the pass and down to finishing village and through Italian villas. Around the volcano on the non banner side. Pass through downtown and down ocean blvd. Turn off to epic and then into the desert over col de saddle springs and finish at the desert arch. About 22miles/40km. Sprinters chasing the classic/climbers on the flats into the finish.

The D to J other direction is start by the desert pens/north titans grove junction. Just reverse the turns as needed and finish at the jungle arch under the waterfall after lap and half of the jungle as in regular jungle route. Desert to Jungle good for gravel frames as last half is mostly non paved roads. Southbound direction will be slightly more distance than northbound direction due start to desert acrh and the extra half lap downhill to jungle waterfall arch. Finish favors classic /climbers types of riders.

Two different types races/events depending on direction of same route.

Keith
Keith
5 years ago

New potential rebel route with the new roads from the December 2020 update. Start with the Two Bridges Loop but instead of going over the 360 Bridge, hang a left onto the Bridge/Islands Bypass and then do endless laps. It probably has a 2.5km lead-in with a 2km loop. You could do a timed event or end at the sprint banner after a number of laps. You could call it the Villaggio Criterio (Italian for village criterium).

Marek
Marek
5 years ago

Hi Eric, can you please update the manual turn instructions for Three Little Sisters? I got lost in the new Zwift roads 🙂

Marek
Marek
5 years ago
Reply to  Marek

ok i had a look at the map and i think the only extra turn is to go straight after 360 bridge (otherwise you take a shortcut to sprint). will test tmrw. cheers

Jörg
Jörg
5 years ago

Here’s a suggestion I came up with because I wanted a route with all the new roads and a good length (for me). I call it the “Bigger Bypass Loop”.

Start with the Bigger Loop. Take the turn into Titan’s Grove (you can see that as the first bypass). Continue towards the Epic KOM, but directly after the bridge, turn right and take the bypass. It’s nicer from this direction, because it goes slightly downhill and has beautiful views. Ride down into the jungle, but don’t miss the turn to the Mayan Bridge. On the other side, climb out of the jungle via the rope bridge. Follow the Bigger Loop again to the Italian Villas, but don’t turn to the Volcano, instead take the Sprint and turn right immediately afterwards. Then turn left over the 360 bridge, and it’s just a short steep climb to the final bypass and a descent to the finish banner. (So it’s not a real loop, because you need a U-Turn if you want to do it again.)

The route has ~38 km and ~470 hm, it is quite hilly and varied,a lot of fun to ride.

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Marek
Marek
5 years ago

If a miss a manual turn and do a U-turn to get back on course, will my activity still match against the strava segment?

Jörg
Jörg
5 years ago
Reply to  Marek

Depends on how quick you notice and make the U-turn. The Strava algorithm has some tolerance, but I don’t know how it is done exactly.

Marek
Marek
5 years ago
Reply to  Jörg

Thanks. I tested this unwillingly in the jungle and failed miserably – i guess the tolerance is rather minimal.

James Metcalfe
James Metcalfe
5 years ago
Reply to  Marek

I had an effort match with the Italian Villas sprint despite u turns
Lap one, turned left instead of right, u turn then straight across, it was matched.
2nd lap u turn before the junction, then another u turn before turning right, effort was matched to segment.
3rd lap followed correctly, but due to burning matches on two previous efforts, was not the quickest effort.

Thomas
Thomas
5 years ago

There should be an Update of the *Spiral into the volcano*. Idea is to add Titans grove.

Dave K
Dave K
5 years ago

Any changes in navigation with any of the rebel routes due to the new roads added? I only have the the two longest KOMonster and Perimeter left so don’t want to mess up. Thanks,

Fabian
Fabian
5 years ago

Hey Eric,
I’m thinking of every street of watopia in one go but it will be pretty long. So my aim is to do the shortest possible route. Is there a possibility to plan a route in watopia?
Thank you
Fabian

Szabi
5 years ago

please update whit new routes

Ivan
Ivan
5 years ago

Anyone have problems with instrucctions of Three Little Sisters? After point 1 I missing the route and I finally climbing the Epic Kom. Could anyone update the correct waypoint? 

Kerry Davies
Kerry Davies
5 years ago
Reply to  Ivan

There are some comments in the Three Little Sisters page, I did this today and there’s a few extra because of the new roads.

WesFree
5 years ago

There are 10 “rebel” routes described here, but there are 15 routes listed on the VeloViewer route-hunter page. Any plans to reconcile?

WesFree
5 years ago
Reply to  WesFree

Edit: the above should read: …”there are 15 routes listed on the VeloViewer Zwift-Insider page. Any plans to reconcile?” Naturally, (as with many other users, detailed turn-by-turn directions (including distances at turn-points in km) would be useful to include.

Kerry Davies
Kerry Davies
5 years ago

Hi all – are there turn-by-turn directions for Big Flat 8 and Hilly KOM Bypass Loop, I can’t find them anywhere online? I can see the Strava Segments, but I can’t work out where I’d need to start and where I’d need to turn!!

Marek
Marek
5 years ago
Reply to  Kerry Davies

Those are quire easy to navigate. Use the map to create turns on your own: https://zwiftinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Watopia-2.14.pdf orcomment image

James Metcalfe
James Metcalfe
5 years ago

Completed some rebel routes yesterday. Hilly KOM bypass and Italian Villas.

Strange thing happened on Italian villas sprint route, on the second right turn after the start/finish line, the default direction was left, but pressing the right arrow key made no difference. I had to press the left arrow to turn right, very counter intuitive and not what had happened at the first right turn.

Anyone else had this issue?

Otherwise, liking the rebel routes, gives me something to aim at as my remaining zwift route badges are all on the long side.

Jeroen van Keulen
5 years ago

I was thinking of the route I use for my festive500 TT bike solo as a Rebel route.
https://www.strava.com/activities/4541752561 it’s 29km with 187m of elevation.
One lap off course.
It’s 29km with 187m of elevation.
I’d call it Fires, views and flats.

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Jason Masterman
5 years ago

I was interested in finding the shortest way to ride Titans Grove in both directions. Here’s the route I settled on.

Approaching from the Desert Flats, head through Titans Grove Reverse then turn towards the Epic KOM. Take the Bypass and loop back towards the Desert via Sequoia Circle.

Turn left to navigate Titans Grove Forward then choose right for an early finish or left towards Ocean Boulevard and a quick pass over the Hilly KOM. 

Cut through the KOM Bypass towards Downtown then back along Ocean Boulevard and out to the Desert Flats once more, either turning right into Titans Grove for multiple laps or continuing to finish at Fuego Flats Forward Sprint banner. 

There’s scope to add in a Jungle Figure 8 by heading straight on towards the Jungle/Alpe rather than the Italian Villas after the Epic KOM Bypass. I’ll write that up another time, but for now I present:

CLIFFSIDE TITANS

Select “Dust in the Wind”, “Quatch Quest” or “Muir and the Mountain”

0.5km   Left at Titans Grove / Ocean Blvd

4.0km   Ahead at Winding Peak / Repack Ridge

9.5km   Right at Desert Flats / Epic KOM

10.7km  Left at Epic KOM / Sequoia Circle

13.0km   Right at Epic KOM / Epic KOM Bypass

15.7km   Right at Reverse Epic KOM / Jungle/Alpe / Italian Villas 

17.6km  Right at Italian Villas / Sequoia Circle 

18.8km  Right at Downtown / Epic KOM

20.2km  Left at Desert Flats / Epic KOM

21.5km  Left at Titans Grove / Desert Flats

30.5km  Left at Ocean Blvd / Desert Flats

31.6km  Right at Ocean Blvd / Downtown

32.2km  Left at KOM / Downtown

32.9km  Ahead at KOM / KOM Bypass

35.3km  Right at Bridge / KOM Bypass

35.5km  Left at Downtown / KOM

36.3km  Right at Downtown / Ocean Blvd

36.7km  Left at Desert Flats / Ocean Blvd

37.9km  Right at Desert Flats / Titans Grove

Continue for multiple laps or finish at Titans Grove Reverse KOM Banner (42.5km)

Alternatively:

At 30.5km Right at Ocean Blvd / Desert Flats to finish at Fuego Flats Forward Sprint Banner (33.3km)

At 37.9km Ahead at Desert Flats / Titans Grove to finish at Fuego Flats Forward Sprint Banner (40.6km)

Printable PDF download here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c6b5w8m1gzinrie/Cliffside%20Titans.pdf?dl=0

Jad Delokk
Jad Delokk
5 years ago

Here is a suggested new route from Jad Delokk

Watopia’s Beer Gut
Most of Watopia’s Waistband with a bulge to the East to West direction of the KOM bypass (the opposite direction to the Ocean Lava Cliffside Route).

Start: Choose Tick Tock Route
2.4km Lead in to Start/Finish at Fuego Flats sprint banner.

Intersections:
1.    Straight to Epic KOM
2.    Left to Epic KOM
3.    Left to Epic KOM
4.    Right to KOM Bypass
5.    Right to Italian Villas at 4-way Intersection
6.    Left to Italian Villas
7.    Left to Italian Villas
8.    Left to Volcano Circuit
9.    Straight to Volcano Circuit
10. Left to Volcano Circuit
11. Left to Downtown
12. Left to Downtown
13. Left to Ocean Blvd
14. Left to Desert Flats
15. Straight to Desert Flats
Finish at Fuego Flats Sprint Banner

30km + 2.4km lead-in.     193m

Jason Masterman
5 years ago

Further to my previous post, here is Cliffside Titans with an additional Figure 8 trek around the Jungle. Enjoy!

MAYAN TITANS

Select “Dust in the Wind”, “Quatch Quest” or “Muir and the Mountain”

0.5 km Left at Titans Grove / Ocean Blvd 

4.0 km Ahead at Winding Peak / Repack Ridge 

9.5 km Right at Desert Flats / Epic KOM 

10.7 km Left at Epic KOM / Sequoia Circle 

13.0 km  Right at Epic KOM / Epic KOM Bypass 

15.5 km  Ahead at Reverse Epic KOM / Jungle/Alpe / Italian Villas

18.5 km  Left at Jungle Reverse / Jungle/Alpe 

21.1 km Right at Mayan Loop Reverse / Mayan Bridge

22.8 km  Left at Mayan Loop / Mayan Loop Reverse

23.4 km  Ahead at Jungle Loop / Alpe du Zwift

26.3 km  Left at Mayan Bridge / Mayan Loop

28.1 km  Right at Mayan Loop / Mayan Loop Reverse

29.9 km  Left at Epic KOM / Reverse Jungle

32.8 km  Left at Italian Villas / Epic KOM Bypass / Reverse Epic KOM

34.7 km  Right at Italian Villas / Sequoia Circle

35.9 km  Right at Downtown / Epic KOM 

37.1 km  Left at Desert Flats / Epic KOM 

38.5 km  Left at Titans Grove / Desert Flats 

47.5 km  Left at Ocean Blvd / Desert Flats 

48.6 km  Right at Ocean Blvd / Downtown 

49.1 km  Left at KOM / Downtown 

49.9 km  Ahead at KOM / KOM Bypass 

52.2 km  Right at Bridge / KOM Bypass 

52.4 km  Left at Downtown / KOM 

53.2 km  Right at Downtown / Ocean Blvd 

53.6 km  Left at Desert Flats / Ocean Blvd 

54.8 km  Right at Desert Flats / Titans Grove 

Continue for multiple laps or finish at Titans Grove Reverse KOM Banner (59.9 km)

Alternatively:

at 47.5 km Right at Ocean Blvd / Desert Flats
to finish at Fuego Flats Forward Sprint Banner (50.4 km)
                                                                   OR

at 37.9 km Ahead at Desert Flats / Titans Grove
to finish at Fuego Flats Forward Sprint Banner (57.7 km)

Printable PDF download here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/56fd03qwrz7w3qe/Mayan%20Titans.pdf?dl=0

Jason Masterman
5 years ago

Last alternative direction should read: at 54.8 km Ahead at Desert Flats / Titans Grove. Oops, my bad.

Jad Delokk
Jad Delokk
5 years ago

Baby Loops

The release of Two Bridges and Beach Island Loop routes included two new short roads in Watopia. The Baby Loops route takes you along both those new roads in the reverse direction to those official routes. This is done with a series of counter clockwise loops which also include the volcano and a final pass through both new roads in the normal direction.  27.7km 258m

Start by choosing the Figure 8 Reverse route and then follow the turns below.

Start at Downtown Start/Finish 

1.    Straight to Sprint
2.    Straight to 360 Bridge
3.    Straight to 360 Bridge
4.    Left to Italian Villas/Sprint (Reverse direction on first new road)
5.    Left to Italian Villas
6.    Straight to 360 Bridge
7.    Straight to 360 Bridge 
8.    Straight to Reverse KOM
9.    Straight to Reverse KOM
10. Left to KOM Bypass (Reverse direction of second new road)
11. Left to Reverse KOM
12. Straight to Downtown
13. Straight to Downtown
14. Straight to Sprint
15. Right to Volcano Circuit
16. Right to Volcano Circuit CCW
17. Straight to Volcano
18. Right to Volcano Circuit
19. Straight to Italian Villas
20. Left to Sprint
21. Right to Bridge/Islands
22. Left to Reverse KOM
23. Left to KOM Bypass
24. Left to Downtown
25. Straight to Downtown

Finish at Downtown Start/Finish 

Rory O'Conor
Rory O'Conor
5 years ago

I tried my first rebel route today: Downtown Titans . I got to turn 8 – left to KOM. Then I encountered another KOM turn (where i went straight on, possibly correctly) then a turn where I headed to sprint (and missed out half the course). This turn doesnt seem to be on your latest watopia poster. I enclose a map of this part of my route. You may wish to check the turns between 8 and 9.

Best wishes

Rory

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Jon
Jon
5 years ago

Maybe I’m just blind, but Veloviewer leaderboards lists several Rebel routes that are not listed above, but they do have their own pages here on zwiftinsider that can be located with some diligent use of your favorite search engine, and two rebel routes that, as near as I can tell, are not mentioned on zwiftinsider anywhere.

  • Hilly KOM Bypass Loop
  • Big Flat 8

What am I missing?

Hugh Grainger
Hugh Grainger
5 years ago
Reply to  Jon

Any information about these Rebel Routes. My Mac won’t show the maps for some reason (just endlessly spins) so I’m a bit stuck as to how to plan rides. Eric must have created them but Zwift Insider details must be low down his list of priorities.

D QCW
5 years ago

I’m with Rory something strange afoot in Downtown Titans my first attempt at rebel route. I REALLy should start with I have a laughable sense of direction. My family saw the post and were like oh cool like a zwift poster me yeah sure it’s a map though I use it…teen and wife stare in disbelief…you use a MAP to find your way around your little bicycle GAME? Which doesn’t have steering? (OK since recently maybe has didn’t buy it yet). haha.

Downtown titans: there were several turns that weren’t listed as not taking and seemed ok, but something around the “italian village” and “sprint” ones just isn’t right the words on the turn by turn don’t match the words on the route turn options I looked at Rory’s image I think we both made the same “wrong” turn. I have a screenshot from strava on what I missed. I can’t recreate the thing but…I have no sense of direction…I need to know EXACTLY what turn to take or not take or remap the whole thing myself…is there a issue like this with any other routes where you can’t count on the turn by turn or is this some new update to zwift naming that just didn’t get in incorporated yet?

D QCW
5 years ago
Reply to  D QCW

(I’m replying to myself with this book length ramble about everything. TL;DR: the game is fun and when it doesn’t work hey that’s part of the fun as long as can fix it. Eric is a saint/god for this work…damn Eric what is zwift without you? I hope there’s a pot of gold…won’t be huge…but hold out for a POT of it…if not here in karma…you’re set either way. Dude. Mainly…ok first time out and wow didn’t work…so now will have to study/backwards engineer each one…you making me WORK?!? Haha. But maybe you can give a ‘still valid as of X date’ on these…and from someone with zero sense of direction, it’s good to also say which turns don’t matter spent some brain cells looking at the repack ridge turnoff I KNEW it was just mountain bike I’d never done it but…I’m trying for steady 2.5 cruise of this rebel route and didn’t want to stop or double back when there’s a question. I’ll send a longer less sane (but not upset just TOO detailed) thing offline.

Erin
Erin
5 years ago

While riding this weekend I wondered if there were any Rebel Routes that put together the three roads in Watopia that were released in December 2020 to give you a ride closer to an hour. So I thought of this and tested it this morning. Started on Beach Island loop, but turned to go up to the Cliffside road, back down to the aquarium but turned to go up the Hilly KOM rather than back downtown. Took the Hilly KOM shortcut then down to the Italian Village, Sprint and Esses. https://www.strava.com/segments/28748375?filter=my_results

James Smallridge
James Smallridge
4 years ago

Eric, I know you have a tonne of other stuff to review and get done but the rebel route section has taken a back seat for a while now. Any thoughts on when these will “catch up” with the rebel routes on the zwiftinsider veloviewer leader board pages?

Jimmy
Jimmy
4 years ago

I tried KOMonster today and ended up doing the hilly loop rwice without seeing the left turn for Sequoia Circle. Any advice? Thanks

Mika Alen
Mika Alen
4 years ago

Downtown Titans does not work as the description states.
All is fine until 7. Straight to Downtown which is automatic, same for 8. Left to KOM also default.
The comes the KOM Bypass or continue on KOM which you do as the description doesn’t mention this turn.
9. Italian villas is the to the right and the 10. Right to Sprint is default and so is 11. Downtown.
Nothing on Strava after riding through Downtown portal. Total 23.99 km/254m ascent

I took screenshot of every turn,since I went slow this time (my second).

PS. Maybe the verification on Strava is gone?

Josh Hayes
Josh Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Mika Alen

I just did the same as you. I think the right to Italian vilas may be a shortcut I am yet to have another go to confirm but straight to islands then right at the next one should add the remaining distance.

Josh Hayes
Josh Hayes
4 years ago

Hi Eric,
A massive Thanks for putting all of the zwift insider stuff together.
I just attempted the Downtown Titans route and messed it up. I took a shortcut somewhere after the KOM. The KOM bypass isn’t listed in the turn by turns and I think where I went wrong was turning right to Italian vilas instead of heading straight towards the islands. Not sure if zwift have changed the names at some intersections?

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