Review: Zwift Ride Indoor Smart Bike

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In December 2021, Zwift teased an indoor smart bike concept by releasing a survey to Zwifters. That bike, designed to look like a real-life Tron bike, was appealing… but also expensive.

Less than 6 months later, it was scrapped (or so we thought) when Zwift announced a pause on hardware development as they dealt with the topsy-turvey realities of an indoor cycling market emerging from Covid craziness.

A year and a half later (January 2024), I got a message from Zwift CEO and co-founder Eric Min inviting me to his home in Southern California to discuss all things Zwift and get a peek at some new Zwift hardware. That’s where I first saw the Zwift Ride.

It was a super-clean setup in Eric Min’s master bedroom. I was immediately impressed by its “real bike” look and intuitive controls. However, I was most impressed by the potential of the frame working with a variety of existing smart trainers.

This is genius, I thought. It’s two useful products in one. And it’s affordable.

In late April 2024, I picked up a review unit from Zwift HQ in Long Beach. Wrapped in black plastic for ultimate secrecy, I drove it up to my home in Northern California, set it up, and went to work.

What you see below is the result of six weeks of heavy use and research. My goal here is to give you a full picture of the Zwift Ride… so let’s go!

Detailed Specifications

There are lots of partial Zwift Ride spec sheets floating around. I’ve tried to consolidate all of that info into one mega list:

Rider Fit Specs
Rider Fit Range:5’-6’6” (152–198cm)
Saddle Height Min-Max:61cm-87cm
Reach Min-Max:39cm-51cm
Bar Height Min-Max:60cm-76cm (center bottom bracket to bars)
Stepover Height:30″ (76cm)
Max Rider Weight:265 lbs/120 kg
Crank Length:170mm
Q-Factor150mm
Saddle:160mm W x 245mm L grooved
Product Dimensions and Frame Specs
Product Dimensions:53.5 in L x 23 in W
Product Weight:78 lbs. (frame + trainer)
Drivetrain:Chain (KMC Z1 Single Speed Narrow 3/32″)
Chainring42T
Pedals:Flats included (or install your own)
Rear Dropout142mm Thru-Axle
Frame MaterialSteel
Crank MaterialAluminum
Crank DesignNon-standard square taper
Additional Handlebar Specs
Handlebar MaterialAluminum
Handlebar Dimensions:16.5″/42 cm (center to center width) width, 31.8mm clamp, 12.5cm drop, 7cm reach
Integrated Rechargeable Controllers:20 hrs per charge
Handlebar Controller Power:Built-in rechargeable lithium-ion battery (1350-1400 maH)
Handlebar Controller Power requirements:USB-A, 5v, 1A
Performance and Data (Wahoo KICKR CORE)
Power Accuracy:+/- 2%
Maximum Power Output:1800W
Maximum Simulated Grade:16%
Flywheel Weight:12 lbs.
Resistance Type:Electromagnetic
Connectivity
LED indicator lights confirm the trainer and handlebars are powered, connected, and transmitting via Bluetooth.
Speed, distance, cadence, and power are wirelessly transmitted.
In-game shifting, steering and UI control via handlebars are wirelessly transmitted.
Additional Features
Magnet-mounted Zwift Key performs all adjustments/installation
Built-in handlebar accessory holder
Two drop-in style bottle cages includes
Optional tablet mount available

Unboxing and Setup

Unboxing

The full Zwift Ride setup will arrive in three boxes: for the frame/seat, handlebars/accessories, and the trainer. Like other reviewers I already had a Wahoo KICKR CORE Zwift One, so Zwift just gave me the first two boxes:

Zwift puts a lot of effort into creating user-friendly unboxing experiences (see: Zwift Hub), and that care is clear with Zwift Ride. The frame is sizeable and weighty (it’s steel, after all), but unboxing it is easy because you simply remove the main portion of the box by pulling it upward, leaving the base intact, with the frame at your fingertips. (Also included: a step-by-step instruction booklet and QR code links to setup videos.)

Assembly and Setup

Here’s my step-by-step assembly process, which took around 15 minutes to complete:

  1. Open both boxes and remove contents
  2. Install the frame on the trainer:
    • Hang the frame on trainer, made easy by ridges above the dropouts
    • Install the thru-axle using the Zwift Key (the axle threads in from the drive side – Zwift did this on purpose, so your setup work is all on one side)
    • Loop chain over ZCog teeth, then flip up the orange chain tensioner
  3. Install seatpost (saddle comes already attached)
  4. Install handlebars
  5. Install pedals
  6. Update controller firmware via Zwift Companion

For the most part, assembly was intuitive and quick. The only time I looked at the manual was when I installed the handlebars because I wanted to make sure I did it correctly. (The bar assembly isn’t like anything I’d seen before):

It may seem odd, but the included “Zwift Key” is one of my favorite Zwift Ride features. It’s the only tool you need for setting up and adjusting the Zwift Ride, and it stays connected to the underside of the top tube with a satisfying magnetic attachment. (The underside of the key fittingly proclaims “Sweat the details.”)

Once everything was pieced together, I needed to adjust frame to fit me. I had already taken measurements off my normal bike setup, so I just transferred those over to the Ride. Easy peasy. Zwift Key to the rescue!

Ride Experience

After assembling the unit and dialing in my fit, I swapped out the flat pedals for my Assioma Duos and went for a ride on Zwift. Some first impressions:

  • The frame is very stable. It’s a steel frame attached to a stable trainer via a thru-axle, and the single front “leg”, while it may look unstable, has a larger footprint than your front tire. No stability issues whatsoever.
  • Drive train noise from the chain/ZCog has been greatly reduced from the original ZCog setup I tested with multiple standard 11 and 12-speed chains. Clearly Zwift has optimized this updated ZCog for the chain used on The Ride. The updated cog is visibly different, with teeth that are less “pointy”. It’s still a bit louder than a dialed-in chain/cassette combo, but not markedly so. Once my fan is turned on, I don’t notice the difference.
  • The shorter crank length was noticeable, but also felt perfectly fine. I run 172.5 cranks on my other setups, so 170mm felt, well… shorter! But 2.5mm is a small difference.
  • The updated, integrated Play-style controllers are much improved over the original Plays (more on that below).
  • The included saddle was decent – I like it a lot more than the saddle that ships with Wahoo’s smart bikes, for instance. But I’m still partial to my Specialized Power saddles, so I swapped it out after a few rides.
  • The accessory holder on the bars blocks my fan. As a dude who overheats easily, I have to pay attention to air movement and climate control in my harder Zwift sessions. I have a Wahoo Headwind centered just a few inches in front of my bike, but the accessory holder blocks a lot of the Headwind’s air from hitting my head. The only way around this, with my particular setup, would be to move the Headwind off-center, or add another fan. (If your setup has a fan further ahead of your bike, you probably won’t even notice any air being blocked.)
  • My inner thighs rubbed on the extra-wide seatpost just a bit. Not the end of the world, but I found it annoying. Zwift Ride’s seatpost is around 38mm wide, compared to a standard round seatpost which is ~27mm across. If you’re like me and lack the impressive thigh gap of a thinner rider, you may find you want to slide the saddle forward a bit to reduce contact with the seat post.

Once I had Zwift Ride set up to my liking, it felt like… well, like riding a bike on Zwift!

The most noticeable difference over my typical Zwift setup is the handlebar controllers. Zwift isn’t calling these “Play” controllers, but basically they’re an updated, expanded version of Zwift Play, designed to be mounted onto a bar that doesn’t already have standard hood/levers installed.

These updated controllers have all the buttons of Plays, with some additions: there’s a new orange button at the bottom of the “lever”, and the single shifting button (just above that orange button, on the outside of the lever) has become two buttons.

By default, the orange button on the left does the group Ride On/return a Ride On, just like the Z button on the right keypad. The orange button on the right controller activates your powerup, just like the Y button on the right keypad. These actions can be swapped in settings, but Zwift also told me they may make these configurable in the future. For now, I find both of those orange buttons to be quite useful. I’ve been tapping that left button and handing out a lot of Ride Ons lately!

The up/down buttons on both controllers handle virtual shifting. With these updated controllers, Zwift is adding the ability to choose from various shifting schemes. You’ve got the standard 24-speed sequential shifting that Play users already have, but you’ve also got SRAM and Shimano-style options! I tried both SRAM and Shimano style, but in the end went back to sequential because it’s just so simple and easy.

Lastly, Zwift is adding gear range options with the Zwift Ride. You can choose between four, but Zwift may change this:

  • Mixed Terrain (1×24)
  • Flat (53/39, 10-28)
  • All-Arounder (48/35, 10-33)
  • Climbing (43/30, 10-36)

After trying all four, I stuck with the mixed terrain option, but you could certainly come really close to emulating your outdoor mechanical drivetrain by choosing one of the other three options and using SRAM or Shimano-style shifting.

Please note that button actions, shift style options, and gear ranges could all be changed by Zwift at any point in the future. What I’ve documented above shows how they’re working on the pre-release game versions I tested.

The new controllers’ design is more ergonomic than the Plays, too – which makes sense. The Plays had to be designed to work with existing brake hood/lever assemblies, so compromises had to be made. In contrast, these new controllers fit my hands nicely, have a longer “lever” so they can be reached in the drops, and are mounted rock-solid, not moving a bit when you press a button.

(I do wonder if the long “lever” is a bit too long for someone with smaller hands, as I have large hands and they fit just right, with the orange bottom button lining up with my fingertips nicely. But a slight twist of the wrist would allow even a shorter hand to reach further down if needed, I suppose.)

Beyond discussion of the updated controllers, there isn’t much more to talk about for ride experience, since the rest of Zwift Ride – the Wahoo KICKR CORE Zwift One trainer – is already a known entity. It’s quiet. It’s accurate within +-2%. It auto-calibrates. It just works.

Pricing and Availability

Zwift Ride With KICKR CORE will begin shipping June 26 to the US, UK, EU, Canada and Australia.

Register early interest and see product details at zwift.com/shop/products/zwift-ride-kickr-core.

Zwift Ride with KICKR CORE Pricing:

  • USA: $1299.99 + $75 shipping
  • EU: €1299.99 + €100 shipping
  • UK: £1199.99 + £65 shipping
  • Canada: $1,999.99 (unknown shipping fee)
  • Australia: $2,299.95 (unknown shipping fee)

Zwift Ride Tablet Holder Pricing:

  • USA: $49.99 
  • EU: €49.99 
  • UK: £39.99

Zwift tells me the frame will begin selling as a standalone product in the fall.

Compatibility

The question of compatibility is a big one for Zwift Ride. It’s actually two questions:

  • What trainers will the Zwift Ride Smart Frame work with?
  • What indoor riding platforms can be used with Zwift Ride?

Trainer compatibility is an easy question to answer. Zwift Ride works with any trainers that support Zwift virtual shifting:

Word from contacts at Zwift and various trainer manufacturers is that more trainers will be joining this list soon. See Zwift Virtual Shifting: Which trainers support it now, and which trainers will support it soon? for updated news on trainers and virtual shifting support.

What indoor cycling platforms can be used with Zwift Ride? That’s a more complex question to answer. At this time, the answer is, effectively, only Zwift. No other platform supports Zwift’s virtual shifting protocol, which is required in order to shift using Zwift Ride. Without it, you’re riding a single-speed bike.

Now, with that said, it’s actually true that Zwift Ride would work great on any platform where you’re using only Erg mode. So TrainerRoad + Zwift Ride would work great. Also, IndieVelo supports virtual gearing, which in theory makes Zwift Ride usable as long as you are willing to use your keyboard for shifting.

Will the competition (Rouvy, MyWhoosh, IndieVelo, etc) ever implement Zwift’s virtual shifting protocol? It seems like that would be a smart move on the competition’s part. But Zwift would have to release that protocol first, and it’s not entirely clear that’s going to happen.

Apple TV Note

It’s important to note that if you’re using Apple TV, you can pair your trainer plus the Zwift Ride handlebar controllers plus a heart rate monitor directly to Apple TV, with no need to use Zwift’s Companion app as a bridge. But only if you connect to the trainer via WiFi! Read more here.

This is different from the experience Zwifters have when using the standalone Play Controllers, which take up more Bluetooth connections than the newer controllers on the Zwift Ride, thus requiring you to use the Companion app as a bridge if you want to pair your smart trainer (via WiFi or Bluetooth), HRM, and the Play Controllers.

Feature Comparison

Rather than show a giant table comparing Zwift Ride features to other smart bikes, I thought I would just call out the high points. (If you want such a table, check out DC Rainmaker’s article.)

There are basically four smart bikes on the market today competing against the Zwift Ride. The “Big Four” are the Wahoo KICKR Bike v2 ($3,999), Wahoo KICKR Bike Shift ($2,999), Tacx NEO Bike Plus ($3,999), and Wattbike Atom ($2,599). Zwift Ride offers many of the same capabilities/features as these bikes, but here are some key comparisons:

  • Adjustability: the win goes to the Big 4 in terms of sheer numbers of adjustment points, only because they offer more fore/aft adjustment of the saddle. But – and this is a detail worth knowing – just because you have an adjustment point doesn’t mean it works well. Wahoo’s KICKR Bike, for example, is famous for breaking quick-release levers when adjusting bar or saddle height. Zwift Ride’s adjustment points are stable, so Zwift gets a nod there.
  • Power Accuracy: this depends on which trainer you pair the Zwift Ride Smart Frame with, of course. For now, you only have the Wahoo KICKR CORE option, which means you get +/-2% accuracy, which is bested by Wahoo and Tacx’s bikes at +/-1%. But I’ve got the frame installed on my Wahoo KICKR v6, which gives me +/-1% accuracy (plus WiFi connectivity and race mode).
  • Max Wattage/Incline: again, it depends on your trainer. Paired with the KICKR CORE, Zwift Ride loses to the Big Four, since it can only do 1800W vs their 2200W (Wattbike can do 2500W). This directly impacts max incline, of course, so Zwift Ride can do 16%, while the others can do 20-25%. (I would argue 1800W is more than enough for the vast majority of riders – see this post for more on that topic.)
  • Crank Length Options: Zwift Ride and Wattbike are stuck at 170mm, while Wahoo and Tacx take the win by offering multiple options with their “bear claw” cranks. (It’s a functionality win, at least. But I do prefer the clean look of a standard crank like Zwift Ride and Wattbike offer.)
  • Zwift Button Integration: no surprise here, Zwift Ride wins big time. Some of the competitors have some integration (Wahoo has steering buttons, for example) but nobody comes close to what Zwift Ride’s controllers offer.
  • Bike Tilt/Climbing: this is a premium feature only available on Wahoo’s top-tier bike. Zwift Ride and the other three competitors don’t have it.

Zwift Ride is priced well below the Big Four, so you would expect it to be edged out in a feature comparison. The question is, how important are those features to potential buyers?

Target Market

While reviewers seem quite impressed with Zwift Ride, early comments from Zwifters have been mixed. Many are clearly interested in purchasing Zwift Ride. But some question whether it’s a smart bike at all, while others say it’s pricey compared to building up a basic roadworthy bike for indoor use. Some have expressed concern with locking themselves into the Zwift platform, while others have complained that it doesn’t offer more advanced features like Wahoo-style physical gradient changes, handlebar width adjustment (what an odd thing to request), or a built-in fan.

I believe Zwift has two key customers in mind with Zwift Ride:

  1. The new Zwifter who wants a clean and simple setup
  2. Current Zwifters who only have one bike, and would love to have an always-ready indoor setup

The genius of Zwift Ride is that it functions like two different products, for two different customers. It’s a fundamental redefining of the smart bike.

With Zwift Ride, new Zwifters now have access to an affordable setup that delivers a top-notch Zwifting experience. You may argue that higher-end trainers or smart bikes offer a better experience, but much like the Zwift Hub when it was released, the truth is that Zwift Ride delivers everything needed for the vast majority of Zwifters: direct-drive feel, the convenience of virtual shifting, an adjustable (and thus shareable) frame, etc. And it does it all in a simple setup that doesn’t require a new Zwifter to spec out a trainer and purchase a bike.

(You may think that’s not a big deal, but it’s a huge pain point for Zwift. Getting set up for Zwift is a big, expensive hassle if you’re not technically inclined, and Zwift knows that keeps riders off the platform.)

What about the second customer type: current Zwifters who only have one bike? Many Zwifters have one road bike and swap it on and off of their trainer as they alternate riding outdoors and indoors. This hassle leads to wasted time and less riding, but riders have a hard time justifying buying a bike just for indoor use. What if an indoor-only frame was available for a reasonable price? Suddenly, that always-available indoor setup seems attainable.

Zwift is going to sell a lot of these frames in the fall. Especially if Wahoo releases firmware updates to support virtual shifting on v4 and v5 KICKRs!

Closing Thoughts

Zwift’s stated goal is to get more people more active more often, and Zwift Ride is a smart move in that direction. It may get pipped at the line in a feature-by-feature comparison with the competition, but only because it does exactly what it needs to do: deliver a quality Zwifting experience at a fraction of the current market price.

And it looks good doing it. Yes, “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,” but for me, Zwift Ride’s “real bike” look is far more appealing than the offerings from Wahoo, Tacx, and Wattbike.

In the end, this is a good-looking, super-functional Zwift setup that’s easy for anyone to purchase, set up, and use. All for $1,299US. That’s a big deal. And no small achievement on Zwift’s part.

Zwift Ride expands what a “smart bike” can be. And it will force the competition to become more price-competitive as well. It’ll be interesting to watch things unfold in the coming months.

More Reviews (Videos)

As usual, Zwift supplied early-release sample units to key YouTube cycling influencers (Zwinfluencers?) for review. Here they are, in case you’re looking for additional perspectives:

Shane Miller/GPlama

Zwift RIDE Indoor 'Smart Frame' Review // $1299 Complete Zwift Cycling Setup!


DC Rainmaker

Zwift Ride In-Depth Review: The Future of Smart Bikes?

DesFit

Zwift RIDE In-Depth Review // The Best Budget “Smart Bike”?

Tariq (Smart Bike Trainers)

The All-New Zwift Ride: Is This the Best Indoor Cycling Setup?

Questions or Comments

What are your thoughts on Zwift Ride? Will it be a big hit, a miss, or somewhere in between? Which features impress you, and which features do not? Share your thoughts below!

Eric Schlange
Eric Schlangehttps://zwiftinsider.com
Eric runs Zwift Insider in the spare time he finds between riding his bike and managing various business interests. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife Monica. Follow on Strava

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Greg Hilton
Greg Hilton
2 years ago

Do you have a view on maintenance at all Eric? Ie will the chain wear out and need replacing? What else might wear out?

secondly I’m assuming this always needs something to control difficulty? My wife uses my current bike to do a spin class and just changes gear to change difficulty. Assume until her software supports erg or Zwift shifting she wouldn’t be able to change difficulty?

T-Bone
T-Bone
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

What about sweat penetrating any of the areas that have the potential to corrode, seize up, or malfunction? The design of this seems impractical to drape a towel over the handlebars, so I’m wondering how resistant the shifters/controllers are to sweat.

On a separate note, does this seem like a setup that would be tolerable for 2-3 hour rides?

Jeff B
Jeff B
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

I do want to challenge this as I have destroyed 3 sets of Zwift plays due to sweat corrosion. My wife who sweats MUCH less than me just lost use of her left play device and when I investigated the device, the upper screws show signs of rust after 3 months of use. In my back and forth with Zwift support, who have been great, I have learned that the point of weakness is on the backside of the plays as that is where the plastic comes together and therefore sweat can drip in that area especially if you do not remove the devices from the handle bars since the sweat in that area will just sit there and can seep in. I love them and find them useful, BUT in order to keep them working, I need to wear wrist bands, double up the towels and remove the plays every time I’m done which is a pain. This point of failure would concern me about heavy sweaters unless they changed the point of weakness

Jeff B
Jeff B
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Yes. It is a bummer because I really like them. However, I was on the forums a lot and I wasn’t alone with complaints of the brake permanently engaged or one side steering no longer working. After the second pair, support asked me “if I swear a lot?” And that put it all together. I was asked to wrap my plays in plastic wrap but that wasn’t really feasible so the combination of towel draping, wrist bands and removal with wiping every time has worked. I didn’t think my wife would need to do all that but her left turning gave out and the top back screws are rusted…resetting snd calibrating have not worked so back to customer service it is. We are in a garage without AC but with lots of fans which sadly isn’t enough. I just wanted to bring this up because that is my worry about these as the plays are a wonderful addition but these shifters ARE the shifters. If they go out then you no longer have a functioning bike

Harry Legs
Harry Legs
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

 keep it clean (dust free)

Umm?

Coming soon — the $150 dust cover. Add your own Z!

Last edited 2 years ago by Harry Legs
Gary
Gary
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Yeah but I’ve ridden nearly 60,000km on Zwift so would they be expecting me to get a new Zwift bike after 25,000km?

Thyr
2 years ago
Reply to  Gary

No but chain and bottom bracket. Are my second language better than yours?

T-Bone
T-Bone
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

So, this means that replaceable parts will be available? In regards to the controllers, if one of those goes bad, are they fixed to the handlebar and would require a complete handlebar/both controllers replacement?

T-Bone
T-Bone
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Good to know that you can also swap handlebars as needed too!

Andrea
Andrea
2 years ago

i think there is a 3rd user persona for the Zwift Ride, which is my case: a household with multiple users! The adjustability shown seems very interesting for the use me and my wife are currently doing, since the major drawback for my wife is shoulder pain related to an inevitably non-perfect bike setup (she’s using my smallest bike frame available)
Seriously considering the purchase of the frame only, as a Zwift Hub owner

Last edited 2 years ago by Andrea
Chicagodude
Chicagodude
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

I second this. I was already using my own bike on the Kickr core immediately bought the stand-alone Ride specifically because my wife wants to start zwifting but we do not want 2 separate setups space-wise and she does not ride outside so we have no desire to buy another bike for her.

John TC
John TC
2 years ago

I don’t need it but I want it…..looks very aesthetically pleasing – would need it to be compatible with an Elite Direto, owned a Kickr V5 and a Zwift Hub, Elite just seemed better in my (very humble) opinion

Roy
Roy
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Interesting. I own a Direto XR and i would love virtual shifting. I definitely would buy the frame, again perfect for me and my two teenagers, no bike swapping. I have the Zwift controllers, and on first connection the avatar pulls to the left, centre of the road. I power the controller off and back on again, and issue goes away. Very annoying.

Timo
Timo
2 years ago

Yes, i have one bike only, this is just what i’am looking for. Good Prince, always ready for a ride. Send one to me 🤗
// Timo

Last edited 2 years ago by Timo
Bob
Bob
2 years ago

What about the second customer type: current Zwifters who only have one bike?

I think someone dedicated enough to use Zwift will almost certainly have more than one bike.

However this could be a good solution fort the mountain biker who doesn’t have a road bike to put on the trainer.

David Rowe
David Rowe
2 years ago

I’m very excited about the Zwift Ride. I test rode one at the National Cycling Exhibition this weekend (in Birmingham, UK) and was amazed at just how comfortable it felt and how smooth the virtual gearing was. I’ve been riding a hybrid bike with Kickr Core for over 3 years and have wanted to switch to a drop-bar set-up for a while. Even though it’s only me in the house that rides Zwift, I like the flexible fit system so others can use it, plus I can easily dial in the settings to match my gradually ageing orthopedic components. 😉

Benefits I see for many people are (a) cheaper than a trainer bike, (b) has three components (trainer, frame, controllers) so more flexible for upgrades – compared to a trainer bike where you have to upgrade the whole thing, and (c) not as monstrous as a fitness bike. I’ve lusted after the functionality of a fitness bike for ages but they are huge hulks of things and too difficult to move or store.

Onno
Onno
2 years ago

It would be great if these dropbar shifters will be sold separately.

Some (inclusing me) have a Kickr and a dedicated indoor bike setup. I just need the shifters.

Guillermo
2 years ago
Reply to  Onno

Yeah, I’d love that. I don’t love the placement of the regular Zwift Play on the drops, but I’d love to give these controls a shot. Hopefully they’ll sell them standalone (with or without the handlebars) at some point.

Scott
Scott
2 years ago

Unfortunate they decided to go with game buttons for shifters vs realistic shifters like all the other smart bikes are FINALLY doing.

Richard
Richard
2 years ago

Been waiting a S/L of time for that promised v5 firmware update…
Doubt it’s ever going to happen…

Roger Roper
Roger Roper
2 years ago

I’m trying to get my head around if this would be suitable for me using zwift and my wife jumping on to do some kind of spin/casual session when she can’t get outside for a run…. but I can’t quite work out what (if anything) would allow her to virtual shift other than zwift.

I guess maybe she could just use my account for the occasional ride.

Tomas
Tomas
2 years ago

If I could buy the ride without a trainer I would place the order right now.

SN95NIK
SN95NIK
2 years ago
Reply to  Tomas

This, 100%. It even says in the review that Zwift provided reviewers with just the frame and bars because they already had the trainer. That would seem to be a likely use case for normal Zwift consumers as well. For example, I have a road bike for outdoor use, but my TT bike lives on the trainer. If I could just replace the TT with the Zwift Ride, I would be buying today. I don’t need another trainer.

Last edited 2 years ago by SN95NIK
Alex
Alex
2 years ago

Let’s hope they’ll be able to deliver on the Fall date for the “frame only” version.

FWIW, I agree with the sentiment that it’s not a real smart bike but for me it’s close enough considering the price point. Especially since I already have the trainer anyway. So it might be $700ish (expected frame price?) versus $3k for a Kick Shift Bike.

Guillermo
2 years ago

Eric, you mention that this is compatible with the Kickr Move. How does the leg fare with the aft/fore movement on the Move?

Guillermo
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Ah, I see. I wonder if Zwift or Wahoo will make some kind of attachment to make it work, like the rubber thing they sell for the Kickr Climb.

Ruffin
Ruffin
2 years ago

This is genius, I thought. It’s two useful products in one. And it’s affordable.”

Idk. My Zwift cave has a 24 year-old mountain bike and a Suito in it that was a lot cheaper.

Looks like COREs are $500 now? I’d probably still tell newbies to grab a super cheap used bike and a trainer. Then no platform lock-in either!

This is more, “I got more money than time and want to Zwift NOW!” For that customer, this is right on the money.

Harry Legs
Harry Legs
2 years ago
Reply to  Ruffin

It’s an ad, right – paid promotion. So yeah, ‘this is genius’.

Harry Legs
Harry Legs
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

No, they don’t get determine what we publish.

Of course they do. You can caveat that I suppose and make it a distinction without a difference, but of course they do. There is essentially one company that controls your access to features and new hardware and Eric Min’s new setup.

Also, they pay you. Sorry, ‘sponsor’.

I still think ZI has value though!

Harry Legs
Harry Legs
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Ultimately, if they’re paying you, and you are promoting their product, then by the definition of most people (and organisations) that’s a paid promotion.

Tony
Tony
2 years ago
Reply to  Harry Legs

You are entitled to your view of course, but please don’t claim to speak for most people. I could equally say that most people do not view what Eric does as promoting Zwift. As he has patiently explained, he talks about Zwift and is a fan but is also critical. That does not mean he is promoting it.

I for one am perfectly happy with the sponsorship arrangement and do not think that it compromises ZI’s or Eric’s integrity at all. A quick open minded view of the content confirms that.

Last edited 2 years ago by Tony
Harry Legs
Harry Legs
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony

Fair enough.

Ultimately, if they’re paying you, and you are promoting their product, then by the definition of the dictionary that’s a paid promotion.

Tony
Tony
2 years ago
Reply to  Harry Legs

Discussing is not promoting.

Alex
Alex
2 years ago
Reply to  Ruffin

In a cycling world where the road bike “middle class” starts at $5k and the cheapest smart bike on the market is $2.5k the Zwift pricing sounds more than reasonable.

It’s obviously still not for everyone and I agree that newbies should go for something cheaper until they know what they like. I’ve used my current setup for over 1000 hours (no idea if that’s beat or brag) and feel like getting that Zwift frame would be money well spent.

Marco
Marco
2 years ago

Good review, thanks for the writeup. My only gripe is this passage:

“Will the competition (Rouvy, MyWhoosh, IndieVelo, etc) ever implement Zwift’s virtual shifting protocol?”

This is IMO misleading, in the sense that these platforms would support it overnight when *Zwift* decides to open up their proprietary protocol. The onus really is entirely on Zwift here. Hacking your way into the protocol might get you in trouble with the legal department, so I doubt there is anything the other platforms would be allowed to do without Zwifts consent.

They would be wise to open up ASAP in my biased opinion. I find this way of trapping users into your ecosystem when they spend a significant amount of cash, questionable if not immoral. It’s a deal breaker for me as a potential buyer anyway and wonder how many customers they chase away by this decision.

Back to the bike, I was wondering how easily the handlebars can be replaced in case of malfunction. As they are shipped seperately can I correctly assume this would be straightforward?

Harry Legs
Harry Legs
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

I think you’re both wrong. If anyone buys this, there will quickly be an open source version of Zwift’s protocol which can be used elsewhere.

They may (perhaps obviously) hope that they can prevent this by technical means and/or legal means and strike up licensing deals. Don’t count on it though.

Marco
Marco
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Will the competition ever be permitted to (..), just seems closer to the actual situation to me. But yes appreciate the next sentence. Mainly I’m just frustrated Z chose to go about it this way and hold little hope it will be opened up. They have a pretty poor track record in this regard unfortunately.

Harry Legs
Harry Legs
2 years ago
Reply to  Marco

I bet Aliexpress has a version within a month

Paul Huizer
Paul Huizer
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

This protocol thing is going to bite zift in the but. The whole community has benefitted so much from the open standards so far… i hope zwift will open up… everyone would appreciate that and be more loyal to zwift.

Capski
Capski
2 years ago

pressfit BB?

dan
dan
2 years ago

so its US1299 +TAX + shipping – we all know the US love to hide the tax part and then surprise!!!

Andre
Andre
2 years ago

Will this be sold at brick and mortar stores, like REI? Or the online Zwift Shop only?

Konstantinos Tsourinakis
Konstantinos Tsourinakis
2 years ago

Price is actually 1600 eur for EU customers if you include shipping and 1yr zwift subscription… Wahoo Kickr core is 650… Zwift should include 1yr subscription in the package

Stay FAST Stu
Stay FAST Stu
2 years ago

Having a Tacx Neo 1 with Motion Plates, it’s not gonna work for me unfortunately unless they design a little roller on that front leg to allow the setup to move forward and back.

Bike Links
2 years ago

Eric i think theres a motion plate vs ‘climb’ rift, cant live without climb for my 2020 wahoo kicker. Seems not hard to modify by them to accept a through axle or qr for ‘climb’ use with kickr. I don’t know how crazy modding it would be (I could imagine cutting the steel (arduously),but would need a real frame maker type to properly weld on dropouts/through axle? Maybe someone can come up with a sleeve ‘kit’ so if hack saw /anfle grind off some fork the stumps slide into dropout/axle sleeves and held in place by bolt (wouldmt be safe outside could be fine here). In 2020 i was deciding on my FIRST smart trainer neo vs Kickr. But once wahoo’s climb came out it was clear and went wahoo.

Shifting is a pain and TD sliding to me i try to keep in mind im not climbing 9% really. But replicating the electric shifting or even same gearing esp if finally get custom quiver killer 1×12 say gonna be annoying.(my stack and reach numbers are multiple bike sizes different).

AND i doubt many lomtime riders would swap back and forth indoors out crank length. I spent a lot of effort some $$$ for crank length trial a d error and not giving up my 165 cranks.

SO, if they had a front axle option that’s huge. I have tp be able to swap cranks or.thats a non starter but SHOULD’T be hard if they made it more comparable.

Sure sounds like ‘just not for me.’ But if they simply released a virtual shifter? I could put my bombproof track bike on it (or any bike that i could fit put 165s on) and leave in reasonable single gear.

I think this is great (agreed) for many. Letting my 2020 kickr do virtual shifting and putting a ‘dropouts’ vs floor stand swap out though, and its a small change but we ride so much crank arm length matters esp to some like me go same on track road and mountain when i had those.Decades of circles I’m not messing with knees or funny feelings. Swapping back and forth different ‘road cranks sizes seems to be unwise especially after years of riding (and not being 25). The ‘bear claw’ option for various crank lengths make sense or i think even the new riding couple 5’3’’ and 6’3’’ … both MAY feel awkward on same crank size. Theres a range of ‘fine’ once you get used to it but not swapping back and forth.

This sounds like a lot but it seems not really:I like the idea of their controls for my dedicated zwifter. Bit need my crank size and would be sorely disappointed to not use my climb…. not too many things.

i again agree its complicated and very confusing to start Zwift and you’ve helped so many of us navigate this over time, too. It takes (too much? creative problem solving to STAY rolling so agree for many a close to ‘plug and play’ solution is fantastic, with a few v2 or v3 tweaks it could be almost everyone’s Zwift mule of choice too.

Oh and apple tv … yeah wahoo bundling signal would be very smart.

And as always thank you great job describing the key differences / features of interest! Im intrigued no matter if i end up with some well fitting but inexpensive other trainer mule they could entice more of us onto the frame over time for the more seamless functionality and controllers amd not dealing with a whole shifting groupo having it all go virtual.

people who have them love their ‘Pelotons’ they don’t know what are missing and I agree this looks good for Zwift which I see as good for all of us!

Jon Einar Visser
Jon Einar Visser
2 years ago

In my opinion this is still far off from the wahoo kickr bike. On that you can set it up how you like. Reach, saddle setback, crank length, handlebars are changeble if you want, gears setup, steering, and it’s also much more solid than the zwift bike.

If you are going to make an indoor bike like this, make it super stable and we should be able to adjust every part of the geometry, including crank length without needing to buy different cranks handlebar widths without changing handlebars and so on. Yes you should be able to use off the shelf parts too for cranks and handlebars, maybe you want a tt handlebar, maybe you want flared bars, idk.

Basically if you ride different cranks than 170mm for example, you are better off putting your own bike on it. It’s cheaper and does fit you better.

The advantage with the wahoo kickr bike is that it can also be used as a great bike fitter bike example without needing to change every component, frame or whatever each time which would significantly slow down the process. Differen’t crabk length? Unscrew the pedal and put it in a different hole. On the Zwift bike you need to get a different crank altogether…. Nightmare

paul robertson
paul robertson
2 years ago

its not for me and im struggling to understand its justification. among other things the q factor seems a bit wide, theres no handlebar width adjustment, no crank length variation and looks like you’ll need to repostion a fan to the side and probably have another on the other side. who is it for? to be easily adjusted to fit as many riders as possible should be the key here for the scenario of there being multiple users in one household.

Sheldon
Sheldon
2 years ago

If you already own a Kickr Core can you purchase just the frame and cog?

Zee Kryder
Zee Kryder
2 years ago

The Zwift smart bike shown in dc rain’s video looked like the trim bike. Tell Eric Min to send that my way.

nasa
nasa
2 years ago

in China Mainland, buy KickR v6 and get a wahoo Tri watch is 6989 CNY, ≈963.21 USD,this package sells 1299.99 USD on zwift website. This virtual function just lets me understand what kind of structure is on the smart bike. I would keep on use a real roadbike play zwift. I think the biggest point of it is to quickly switch between different users.

Tony
Tony
2 years ago

One other category of customer – someone who needs to move their indoor set up, and so is put off from buying any of the heavier smart bikes. My Zwift cave doubles up as a home gym and dance studio (the latter for my children, not me!) and so I move my Zwift bike into the corner when not in use. Even if this is heavier than a carbon road frame, i suspect it is easier to move around than any of the big 4

Stuart
Stuart
2 years ago

Does the Zwift Ride display which gear you are currently using on the screen, in the same way that a Wattbike does?

Stuart
Stuart
2 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

Please ignore this question. I’ve just watched you video on virtual shifting which answers this. Sorry

Sam Huntington
2 years ago

Thanks Eric! It looks awesome but I’m a fan of the Apple TV app – so I’ll try connecting on the companion app now to see if I have any issues – maxing out BT is def a potential problem so that’s a great call out. With that said the product seems awesome besides the thigh gap issue, what a weird spec. Hope you’re well!

Paul Reynolds
Paul Reynolds
2 years ago

Great review Eric. Many thanks.

I have one question? How easy is it to separate the frame from the trainer?

I ride an old Kettler bike in my storeroom. If I need to get to some things I move the whole bike – I am guessing that I wouldn’t want to do that with this. So I would separate it into the 2 parts. Is this a hassle?

Thanks again

Paul

Dave
Dave
2 years ago

What rocker plate are you using and did it require modifications to work with Zwift Bike front end? Also would the kicker core work with that rocker plate?

Thanks
Dave

Dave
Dave
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Thanks Eric!!

Mark C
Mark C
2 years ago

Sounds pretty good but I’ve built trainer bikes for myself and my wife (and a few friends) for use on our Kickr V5/Climb that are old frames with drivetrain, saddle, and bars. Essentially cost nothing since the parts and frame are from defunct road bikes. No brakes or wheels obviously. This was before the Zwift Play controllers or virtual shifting so they needed to have a full range of gears. With the advent of Virtual shifting, they could be even simpler. We’ve been using a Kickr Bike for the last three years but the trainer bike concept has been done for years…

Juli
Juli
2 years ago

I’d like to know if you can only buy the ZWIFT RIDE bike and not the WAHOO home trainer.

I already have a Tacx Flux S that I use with ZWIFT.

Thanks

Last edited 2 years ago by Juli
Paul Huizer
Paul Huizer
2 years ago

I like the frame, but really looking for something that also supports rouvy.

Last edited 2 years ago by Paul Huizer
Ward Coomans
Ward Coomans
2 years ago

Hello,
I want to start (indoor) cycling and Zwifting. I would love to have an indoor bike with automatic resistance controlled by Zwift. But I want a quiet setup, because I will be riding in the room next to where my 3 years old son sleeps. Therefore I guess a magnetic resistance with V-belt is recommended? Seems like they only exist when you pay 2.000 or 3.000 EURO or more…
I was hyped to see this Zwift bike released for 1.300 EURO , but I am afraid that the classic chain will make to much noise. It’s hard to hear it on a video…
So now I am doubting: buy a Zwift Ride and hope it’s quiet enough or buy a Virtufit Etappe 2.0 wich means no automatic resistance by Zwift.

Anyone here that wants to give some advice?

Hendrik-Jan Kranenburg
Hendrik-Jan Kranenburg
1 year ago

I really miss the compatibility with Wahoo Climb. This machine helps me with training my muscles in a different way mimicking riding a climb better. I would really want to use this on a frame as well. The price of the frame as stand alone is now (September) published. For me €900 including shipping costs is to much compared to buying a second bike that I can also use on the road as spare bike.

David McPherson
David McPherson
1 year ago

Having been on Zwift since 2014 and someone who has promoted the platform to many people within my company globally I’m extremely disappointed that Zwift Ride is not available in Canada, which has a large online community. What are the plans to address this?

Tim
Tim
1 year ago

Zwift Ride is available in Canada through Wahoo’s website. Eric links to it at the top of the article

Tim
Tim
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

If you follow that link you will be taken to the page for the combined zwift ride + kickr core and there does not seem to be any way on the wahoo website to order just the zwift ride by itself.

The price of that bundle is quite high, converting the US price of $1300 USD to canadian you get $1765 CAD, vs $1999 CAD that wahoo is charging. And that’s not the worst of it, it’s only $75 usd shipping for USA, vs $250 CAD shipping in Canada. And then there is still the canadian sales tax on top of all that. I hope no Canadians fall for that and instead order from a us site to save a lot of cash.

David McPherson
David McPherson
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

Having been a long time Wahoo supporter and an owner of multiple Kickrs I can’t justify buying the bundle just to get the Frame and I doubt Wahoo are going to sell it on it’s own which would be of no value to them and be competitive to their bike sales. Will put pressure on my local bike shop to see if they can get some.

aairey
aairey
1 year ago

>> Zwift is going to sell a lot of these frames in the fall. Especially if Wahoo releases firmware updates to support virtual shifting on v4 and v5 KICKRs!

I believe that is wishful thinking. The website id Wahoo says they reviewed the firmware of pre V6 models and they will not support it.

David McPherson
David McPherson
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Wahoo are making a lot of bad decisions just now which makes me think they have lost sight of their customer base and their specific needs. i have bought multiple Kickrs and even have the T-Shirt and this shortsighted view is making me consider other brands.

Sam
Sam
1 year ago

Why is handle bar width a strange thing to request? If you’ve been riding 40cm bars for 15 years, it’s not going to be ideal going back to 42cm. This is actually th only thing putting me off buying one.

Matteo
Matteo
1 year ago

Can I use the Zwift Ride frame on a Tacx Neo 2T on ERG mode only?

Gottfried
Gottfried
1 year ago

Got my Zwift Ride Frame (already owned a Wahoo KICKR Core) last week and took the first rides this weekend.

Reasons i bought it:
Due to the easy adjustment it will fit both of us, me and my wife.
I have only one bike. Installing and uninstalling it in autumn and spring was annoying.

If my wife will use it al expected – we will see :-). In every case i have a “ready to ride” setup, thats fine.

About the ZWIFT Ride:
Solid stand, easy to build up. Firmware Update for the KICKR needed in my case (to use the smart shifting). Change of cassette to ZWIFT COG is easy. Noise and volume are quieter than with the cassette.

First complains:
I dont know who has tested the “grip and feel” of these handlebars. They are not ergonomic, quiet sharp form (compared to the hoods on a bike). I ride between 80 – 120 km, with some longer rides a few times a year, and have no problems with muscles in the arms or pain in the hands. On these toys i had to quit after bout 50 km. You simply can’t grip them comfortably.

I wouldn’t have needed the controllers in general, but they are actually largely useless for me. I can’t reach them from the hand position in the hoods (and if I have to take my hand away, I can also use my cell phone)

With the simulated gear ratios from Shimano, I personally find the jumps between the individual gears too large and irregular. However, the “run away” setting works perfectly.

Nevertheless, I believe that the Ride offers good value for money. However, I would welcome a little less play and a little more focus on cyclists.

Anyone else who got the ride latley? What is your opfinion about the handle?

Matthewbuckle@hotmail.co.uk
1 year ago

Hi Eric! Helpful review. Have you found the virtual shifting algorithm to be laggy at all (read this elsewhere). And how much of an issue is thigh rub? Don’t really want to compromise fit to avoid chafing!! Best, Matt

Martin
Martin
1 year ago

Hi Eric. Can you tell me the size of the large box? We Zwift in our attic and I would need to get the Zwift ride through a 2ft square hatch would it fit. (Our road bikes did without removing forks

Jack Lipnowski
Jack Lipnowski
1 year ago

is there a way to buy an extra smart controller handlebar for me zwift ride

Last edited 1 year ago by Jack Lipnowski
Richard Fuller
Richard Fuller
5 months ago

After a fairly dismal experience with Zwift Play controllers that failed fairly quickly (probably through sweat ingress) what have Zwift done to prevent the same happening with zwift ride?

Mary Franklin
Mary Franklin
4 months ago

Here’s my experience. Disappointing.
It’s been a disappointing start so far over the last week.

  1. Didn’t have the Zwift cog adapters correct–>sorted that.
  2. The chain was twisted on itself -sorted that.
  3. Went for one ride and it trashed my legs. I figured out the seat wasn’t correct.
  4. Went to swap out the seat and followed their directions. Boom-I have a whole lot of pieces and no clue how to reassemble them with one of my preferred seats.

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