Interview with KISS race organizer Mike Ede

While not the longest-running race series on Zwift, KISS has taken Zwift by storm in the past few months, quickly becoming the most popular series in rider numbers. And it’s easy to see why–the team of organizers has worked hard to keep things consistently simple and fair.

Mike Ede is one of the KISS organizers, the other two being Glen Knight and Wayne Elvin. Here’s what Mike had to say…

Tell me a little about yourself–how long you’ve been riding, what sort of riding you do, when you discovered Zwift, where you live, etc.

I am Mike Ede, 41 year old designer of medical devices. I also run my own business (online dog food) when not doing my day job. Father of one 6 year old who loves Zwift and owned by three Weimaraner dogs.

Raced a little BMX as a child and rode MTB up until my early thirties. Got fat and needed something low impact on my knees and back. Do a bit of 24 hour MTB racing and prefer to be off road rather than on it but quite happy doing either. Have been back riding for about 3 years. Came to Zwift via Trainer road and Sufferfest.

How would you describe your philosophy as a race organizer? What is most important to you when organizing Zwift races?

KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) is how we try to organize the races, it isn’t necessarily how the discussions go or how the experience is for the racer! Things got a bit out of hand when we got to around 80 racers and we were generating the results manually, it literally took 2 or 3 of us about 4 hours to pull everything together and that really wasn’t sustainable or simple!

What race(s) are you currently organizing on Zwift, and how long have you been doing them? What makes these races different than other Zwift races?

The others have covered what we do well. As far as I know we are the only race that deploys the full game experience and I think that the way we have grown shows that the audience has an appetite for racing with game elements. As long as they were switchable I would really like to see more game / strategy elements available for the riders.

What suggestions would you give to someone interested in joining your races for the first time?

Read the event description and you will already be in an elite minority! There is nothing to be afraid of and you will find people of a similar level. If you go too hard the first time keep trying until you find the pace that works for you.

If the folks at Zwift HQ could add one feature to Zwift to make your job easier, what would it be and why?

Timestamp all the .FIT files centrally, relative to Zwift time, rather than using the local PC’s time. Because local PC time is used there is uncertainty about when people actually started and finished with the results on Zwift Nation. If everyone’s .FIT file was relative to a central time we would know with some certainty when they started and when they finished. This would save a huge amount of time!

Interview with KISS race organizer Wayne Elvin

While not the longest-running race series on Zwift, KISS has taken Zwift by storm in the past few months, quickly becoming the most popular series in rider numbers. And it’s easy to see why–the team of organizers has worked hard to keep things consistently simple and fair.

Wayne Elvin is one of the KISS organizers, the other two being Michael Ede and Glen Knight. Here’s what Wayne had to say…

Tell me a little about yourself–how long you’ve been riding, what sort of riding you do, when you discovered Zwift, where you live, etc.

Hello, my name is Wayne Elvin, I’m 37 and from South East Kent in the UK. I started riding in 2012 after 7 years of not going anywhere near a bike. I’d stopped playing football due to injuries and cycling was my aim as it’s low impact and would hopefully keep me fit and healthy.

As I had just started my own family around that time indoor cycling was my best choice so I started with the ‘Spinervals’ videos and then found the ‘Sufferfest’ videos which I loved and did them quite a lot including the 2015 tour. Then came along Zwift, my first time on Jarvis Island and I was lucky enough to ride with Jens Voigt for 30mins (he was taking it easy!)… this got me hooked.

How would you describe your philosophy as a race organizer? What is most important to you when organizing Zwift races?

I’m lucky enough to have two other race organizers (Glen Knight and Michael Ede) so we discuss (a lot) about what we can do to make things easier or to add to the enjoyment of our race. As a team we seem to work very well.

My aim is to keep everyone happy and to make sure everyone enjoys themselves when racing, listening to the group on any comments they have and trying to answer any questions they have.

What race(s) are you currently organizing on Zwift, and how long have you been doing them? What makes these races different than other Zwift races?

I help run the Monday and Thursday Night KISS races. I had done a few races on Zwift and really enjoyed the experience; unfortunately most of the races were a bit too early for me (kids’ bath time and bedtime got in the way) then in October a race was organized by Timmy Pinder (ARCC) for 8pm UK time which fit in perfectly with me. After a few weeks Timmy had technical issues so couldn’t race anymore, as I wanted to carry on with these I started posting on the Facebook forum about the race and helping people with the rules and race info. Then at the end November Glen Knight and Michael Ede both contacted me and asked if they could help in anyway, and that’s where it all started.

The differences between our race and the others are – we allow Power Ups to be used at anytime on any lap, Standing start (no rolling neutral) we allow any bike to be used, Zwift put all these features into their game so we like to use them. It also gives people more variety on the races that they can participate in.

What suggestions would you give to someone interested in joining your races for the first time?

Just try it and see how you get on, look at all the races that are held and pick one that suits you, read the race info and rules, read through any posts on that race (there’s plenty on the forums!) ask any questions if you can’t find the answer, then turn up on time and enjoy yourself! We have 80+ racing most nights, most know they’re not going to win but it’s not about winning it’s about pushing yourself and having some fun, Type 2 Fun!! (Google it)

Nathan Guerra’s videos add so much more to the races as well, how someone can talk for over an hour about people he doesn’t know is amazing, and it doesn’t matter where you finish you’ll still skip to the end to find your sprint and then show (bore) your friends and family!

If the folks at Zwift HQ could add one feature to Zwift to make your job easier, what would it be and why?

A small feature called – Race Module!

People could select a race in the same way as they currently choose ‘Flat’ or ‘Hilly’ course in the drop down menu (race organizers would be able to create races with the correct details about power ups, bikes, type of course, how many laps, start time). Here you’d see the race rules / race info (laps etc) and you’d be given a race CAT (Zwift knows your FTP and weight) that would then be added to your surname.

Then you’d be taken to a closed course (only racers for that race would be on that course) where you’d be held behind the line but still able to pedal and warm up, you’d then see a countdown and when it hits zero everyone would be released (Zwift could keep everyone at a set speed for the warm up so no flyers at the start). You’d be the only ones on that course so you know exactly who you’re racing against, you’d be able to see the lap/KOM/sprint times for those only in that race.

Then when finished you’d have all these results instantly, breakdown of CAT results, breakdowns of KOM and Sprints. Easy!

Interview with KISS race organizer Glen Knight

While not the longest-running race series on Zwift, KISS has taken Zwift by storm in the past few months, quickly becoming the most popular series in rider numbers. And it’s easy to see why–the team of organizers has worked hard to keep things consistently simple and fair.

Glen Knight is one of the KISS organizers, the other two being Michael Ede and Wayne Elvin. Here’s what Glen had to say…

Tell me a little about yourself–how long you’ve been riding, what sort of riding you do, when you discovered Zwift, where you live, etc.

In my early years I raced BMX bikes with my brother, not seriously but we’d enter local competitions. Then mountain biking as a teenager, not competitively, more just for fun. We of course had the local moped challenge where we had to catch a scooter before the road ran out… that was always fun.

I rediscovered cycling around 6 years ago and participate in lots of social rides and sportives. I discovered Zwift around September 2015 and it’s had a huge impact on my fitness, strength and just my ability to get on the bike around work and life commitments.

How would you describe your philosophy as a race organizer? What is most important to you when organizing Zwift races?

The most important thing about our races is that the participants have fun and have a great workout.

What race(s) are you currently organizing on Zwift, and how long have you been doing them? What makes these races different than other Zwift races?

There are three of us. Michael Ede, Wayne Elvin and myself. We organize the Monday and Thursday Night Road Races at 8pm UTC and more recently KISS Americas and KISS Asia with KISS Starter coming very soon.

We try not to take it too seriously. KISS Races are different from the others in that we allow all the “game” features of Zwift. We allow the use of power-ups, TT bikes and even switching bikes mid-race. If it’s a function provided within the Zwift platform that everyone has access to we allow it. KISS stands for Keep It Simple Stupid. If we can’t police it and enforce it why have it as a rule?

We also have a standing start. First few race we did we tried a rolling start. We had nothing but complaints about the start. Now we get none… well maybe just one or two.

We do try to combat misconfiguration and deliberate cheating though. Just because we have a relaxed view on the gamey side doesn’t mean cheating is okay.

We also go in to great details about our results and push CAT upgrades on to our riders to encourage them to better themselves and to ride with similar performing riders.

What suggestions would you give to someone interested in joining your races for the first time?

Join our facebook group KISS Zwift Road Race to join the community. There are racers of every ability from national record holders to first timers. Come along. They are great fun and a really great workout.

If the folks at Zwift HQ could add one feature to Zwift to make your job easier, what would it be and why?

Closed circuit races. Where you could create a race and it was your very own version of the course that all your riders could then select the race from the menu.

Interview with Hammerfest organizer Trapper Markelz

I first ran into Trapper Markelz when he posted on the Zwift Riders Facebook group about his KOM Hammerfest stage race. This race caught my attention for reasons: first, it was a different sort of race concept from the typical one-hour Zwift slugfest. Secondly, Trapper said he was working on software to make streamline running these sorts of races both on Zwift and in the real world–as a web developer, this kind of work always intrigues me.

Read below to find out more about Trapper’s background and race organizing philosophy. Also, be sure to check out his upcoming Spring Hammerfest which happens in early May!

Tell me a little about yourself–how long you’ve been riding, what sort of riding you do, when you discovered Zwift, where you live, etc.

My name is Trapper. I was born in Alaska, went to school in Rochester, NY. I lived in Chicago for almost 10 years. Met my wife Maureen and moved to Boston, MA in 2008 where we now live with our four kids, Hannah, Lucy, Jack, and Alice.

I grew up doing a ton of mountain biking. Started out riding Cannondale and moved to a GT Avalanche LE that I cherished and thrashed on the mountain trails around the Kenai peninsula of southern Alaska. When I went off to school, the cycling lapsed. I tried to pick it back up in Chicago, but everything was too flat. You can’t really mountain bike without mountains.

After a couple of Internet start ups, I was noticing that my weight wasn’t what it use to be. I had four kids, was working long hours, and wasn’t making time to exercise. So in 2012,  I bought a single speed Origin 8 and started riding that back and forth to the train station. About this time, my brother Todd, who was a college running star, had hurt his knee and had started cycling. He told me about Strava. I started tracking my rides there, seeing his longer rides, and that pushed me to ride longer as well. I soon bought a GT Series 2 aluminum road bike and the rest is history. I never thought I’d be one of those spandex roadies, but here I am, riding my Wilier Izoard XP about 4,000 miles a year.

The New England winters are brutal, so when I first heard of Zwift I applied for the beta. I got in on the first round when they opened it up to people with power meters. I’ve been riding Zwift ever since!

In 2014, I competed in a few road races in the New England area. They were a blast, but with a family full of weekend kid sports obligations, I just don’t have time to regularly make it to the starting line. At the end of 2015, I participated in a local event called the Fall Five put on by a local bike shop Ride Studio Cafe. There were five stages, and the participants had 48 hours to complete each stage. I found this to be a perfect race experience for a busy athlete like myself. Not only that, it provided an entire week of obsessing, and strategizing, and talking about the event with friends! It was one of the most fun weeks I had ever spent cycling.

Coming off that event, I was determined to build some software that made the designing and running of such an event easy and applicable to anywhere GPS segments existed. Given that I was working on this in the middle of winter, Zwift seemed like the perfect place to validate the multi-day stage racing concept.

How would you describe your philosophy as a race organizer? What is most important to you when organizing Zwift races?

I want to make racing as convenient for people as possible. At the same time, I want to extend the opportunity for people to connect, share, and tell stories about their experiences. There is a very real energy to a mass start live race. But it all happens in a few hours, and then it is done. I really want something that can appeal to a large number of hard core and casual cyclists, and get them celebrating and connecting over the course of the many stages.

I also want to keep the stages short so that they can be completed in 45 minutes of total effort. That means no more than 8-12 miles per stage. Short, intense stages that hover around a 20 minute FTP style effort. And the stage design will stay fairly varied. The course might be a certain number of laps over a defined segment, or a single longer segment, or a couple different segments.

What race(s) are you currently organizing on Zwift, and how long have you been doing them? What makes these races different than other Zwift races?

I’m calling these races “Hammerfests”. When I googled around for a definition, I saw it mentioned somewhere as “A brutally fast ride or race, typically with friends.” That seemed to fit perfectly for what I was going for. All of the races will be multi-day stage races. You sign up, ride the stage in the date/time window that is given, upload your results to Strava, and Hammerfest will pull in the activity, parse out the qualifying segments, and tabulate the stage winners and overall winners. I’m trying to approximate the great tradition of the shorter multi-day cycling tours like Tour Down Under or Dubai Tour.

What suggestions would you give to someone interested in joining your races for the first time?

Given that you can ride them when you want, I think that joining a Hammerfest is a really great intro to racing in general. Because you are out there on your own, riding when you want, on your terms… it is just you against the clock. You can dispense with all the anxiety of doing something wrong or not being in the right place at the right time, or all of the etiquette necessary to ride in a group. At the same time, you get all the thrill of pushing yourself to beat those on the leaderboard around you and see how you stack up. My hope is that people who start racing with Hammerfest build the confidence in racing to go and compete in some of the live races.

It is also worth mentioning that I am building the software to work both for Zwift, but also for any Hammerfests that can be configured and run in the real world. My ultimate goal is to not just introduce people to racing on Zwift, but to create a convenient way of racing in the real world as well.

If the folks at Zwift HQ could add one feature to Zwift to make your job easier, what would it be and why?

In the short time I have been doing this, it seems like there continues to be an issue with inaccurate power numbers coming from people’s zPower configurations. As a community, we need to be gracious in understanding that for most people riding on Zwift, it is their first time riding with the concept of power numbers or W/kg. They aren’t going to know if their power is being overstated. I think Zwift needs to do a much better job either tamping down zPower (perhaps setting a zPower W/kg ceiling) or proactively emailing a participant when their power numbers (on zPower) are outside of a certain range to let them know something might be up.

I’ve already met many people who are racing on Zwift, and I ask them about their power numbers and they end up being surprised that their numbers aren’t correct. If Zwift wants to continue to encourage an environment of learning and competition, it needs to tackle the issue of zPower education head on.  

That said, Zwift is one of those rare products that instantly becomes indispensible in your life. For that they should be commended. They’ve made huge gains since the beta. They have a great team over there working on this stuff, so I am confident every release will get better and better. I’m excited to see where it goes, and I’m excited to play a small part in the community as a race organizer bringing a convenient style of racing to the Zwift masses.