Lucianotes: Debates Destroying Zwift Friendships

Rim vs Disc Brakes

I have seen this one tearing teams apart. This is dogmatic on both sides, reaching levels of bad faith until now unknown to humankind. If you listen to disc brakes supporters, discs are the ultimate item you can use for anything. You can brake a bike with them for sure, but you can also use them to build a house, bake a pizza, write a book; with a disc brake you are the closest you can be to a superhero. On the contrary, according to rim brake supporters, disc brakes are living proof Lucifer’s influence over the world is greater than ever. Discs are nothing but extracts of the devil’s ribs. “Rim” and “Disc” should be terms banned from the Zwift community.

Zwift vs IRL

The first guy who made this comparison should be decapitated in a public place, like Game of Thrones. Why place the two in opposition? Of course it will never be the same as IRL! Zwift is a simulation trying to replicate IRL road riding in an entertaining way. And this is one of the only video games in existence that actually makes you physically experience something very close to its IRL counterpart. How many times have you actually bled when injured playing Call of Duty?

Should Tron be Forbidden In Races?

I insulted the first person who said that. I had the impression he was threatening one of my children. How dare you challenge the use of my beloved glowing Tron Bike?!?! (However, beyond the symbolic and emotional tie I have with my pink Tron, I get the point. I have experienced racing without a Tron for a few weeks and it is more entertaining in a way. It makes you think way more about the race and make risky choices.)

Do you have the Tron bike?

Staying on the Tron topic, it looks like there are two classes of citizens in Watopia. Those owning the Tron and those still under the threshold of poverty. Because let’s be clear, the Tron bike has a price: 50,000 meters of elevation. If you are up for a good fight, prepare your popcorn in advance and throw that question in any Discord channel. You will immediately create a conflict of apocalyptic magnitude.

What is the best bike for the next race?

I have seen both the smartest and the stupidest theories when explaining the strategy for choosing one virtual bike vs the other. And it becomes a matter of pride: even when your choice of bike was obviously the wrong one, nobody is ever going to admit it post-race. “It went exactly as planned, I made the best choice.”

However, let’s cut that one short all of you heretics: there is one and only one right answer to this question; the best bike is whatever Eric says in ZI. 

Have you seen the Yeti in ADZ?

First of all, the Yeti does not exist, it’s bait to get you climbing ADZ again and again. Someone who climbed ADZ more than 60 times is talking here. Whoever tells you they had a long conversation with the Yeti about the meaning of life is lying. In case you didn’t notice, I am speaking from the depths of my frustration from not having seen the Yeti despite my regular visits to ADZ. Each time I see that warning sign “attention au Yeti ” I have the impression a knife is being slowly inserted between my shoulder blades. When the hell am I going to see the freaking thing!?

At what attempt did you get the Lightweight Meilenstein wheels?

I thought I was unlucky by getting them on the 14th climb. I was so so wrong. I have some Coalition colleagues thinking of making an IRL pilgrimage to Lourdes or the Vatican in order to ask for the Lightweight wheels you can get on top of ADZ through a “wheel of fortune” lottery. They have attempted the climb of ADZ so many times in order to get them that they just abandoned the idea. (The good part of this is that it creates perfect occasions to brag about my Lightweight wheels. Each time I ride with one of those guys I make sure I load them on my bike even if we are on the flattest of the circuits.)

Wahoo vs Tacx

The fanboy debate. IPhone or Android? Wahoo or Tacx? Let’s get ready to rumble! Amanda, my Wahoo Kickr v4 2018, is the most beautiful thing in the world. She is permanently in fear that I will be changing her for a younger Kickr v5 2020, or even worse for the sexier Kickr Bike. However, she knows Tacx Neo 2T is not my type and there is no risk I will cheat on her with a Tacx Bike. You just can’t explain it. That’s the way it is. 

Smart Bike vs Smart Trainer

  • Smart bikes are inaccurate! You get watts for free! 
  • What are you talking about, smart trainer sticky watter?
  • Why would you buy another static bike you can’t use for anything else, super expensive by the way…
  • Well, ask yourself that same question the next time you are struggling to get your bike out of the smart trainer and swearing because the thru-axle of your rear wheel bike is refusing to close…

Is it a curse of humankind that you enjoy your own toys only if you bash the toys of others? 

Zwift is Just a Game

For me this one is a cause of secession from any team or group. Not just a game for me, full stop. Many times I have seen this used as a justification to cheat one way or another. “Why would you care if someone cheats? It’s just a game” or “Why do you put so much effort into it? It’s just a game.” Well, I have made so many friends, and leveraged on Zwift so much during the pandemic… during lockdown I would have gone crazier than I actually am. 

How do we manage to get our own kit as a team?

As soon as the question is asked I have the Indiana Jones music theme resonating in my head. 

Getting your own team kit on Zwift is both a matter of courage, patience, faith, and luck according to the ones who made it. The recipe is secret and you get to know it only when you make it to the end. Then you sign an NDA in which you commit not to reveal the path to anyone. This is the most challenging escape room in the world. Some say it is easier to reach nirvana than to get your own team kit on Zwift, so it’s quite probable that universal harmony will be reached before your team gets theirs. (It seems it has gotten easier lately though…) 

Roglic or Pogacar? Wout Van Aert, MVDP or Alaphilippe?  Is Remco Evenepoel a genius or a jerk? 

Pogacar / Alaphilippe / Genius. Whoever has a different opinion on any of these three items is immediately excluded from my circle of friends. There are some basic non-negotiable pillars in any friendship. Those are mine. 

Is the message off-topic or not?

In a Discord channel someone says something vaguely related to the channel topic and BOOM. You always have someone ready to trigger the “it’s off-topic” flat. Then you have 1,512,554 messages from those saying it is not off-topic and those saying it is off-topic, creating a whole “it is off-topic” off-topic thread in the channel. Oh my….

Who wants to be captain for ZRL? 

2:21 PM…… Peter left the group

2:21 PM…… Chris left the group

2:23 PM…… Albert left the group

2:24 PM….. Jonas left the group

2:25 PM ….. Fred left the group

2:25 PM…. William left the group

David, you are the last one in the group, congrats you are team captain. 

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
Luciano is a French-Argentinian living in Madrid, Spain. He landed by mistake on Zwift in March 2020, and, according to his wife, is staying there because of some strange variant of Stockholm Syndrome yet to be diagnosed. Passionate about all the little things making us feel alive and together when being part of a team.

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Arend
Arend
4 years ago

You forgot Apple TV vs PC!

Luciqno
Luciqno
4 years ago
Reply to  Arend

Basic one! Total miss! Anyhow I have burnt all my friends already with the other debates so I would have nobody to explain why I moved from ATV to PC

Paul Himes
Paul Himes
4 years ago

To bike swap during the race or not?

To go further: should races in which bike swaps are useful be included in a racing series?

chris benten
chris benten
4 years ago

Bought my first disc bike last November and it went straight onto the trainer. Have yet to ride outside
Zwift vs IRL: Zwift is safer…too many cellphones being used by drivers
I have the Tron bike…strictly through perseverance. I am not a talented rider.
No Yeti in 4 trips up.
Lightweights on #2
Kickr vs Tacx…uhmmm…Saris
Zwift is a game…particularly when I tell my wife I need a gaming computer with a high-end card…err…cost.

Luciano
Luciano
4 years ago
Reply to  chris benten

Thanks for your message in zwift forums!
I have had a Saris H3 during the first months of the lockdown. Absolute lifesaver but died after 3 months…

chris benten
chris benten
4 years ago
Reply to  Luciano

I should have started “Welcome Back!” but your list had me thinking too hard.

I am surprised my H3 is still running…I have overheated it and generally treat it poor with infrequent calibrations and dustoffs. Moved inside for the summer and seems to like it much better! Now it will get spoiled rotten…much like my dog and, truth be told, me.

Eddie Ryce
Eddie Ryce
4 years ago

I got the lightweight wheels on the first ascent

Luciano
Luciano
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie Ryce

You just lost ALL your past, present and future Zwift friends with those 9 words.
By now you are for sure the most hated Zwifter

Colin Peerman
Colin Peerman
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie Ryce

Same. I’ve rarely been up since

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  Colin Peerman

You two can create a club of the lightweight lucky shots. Everybody would hate you

Colin Peerman
Colin Peerman
4 years ago

ha

Paul
Paul
4 years ago

For me it took 20+ attempts, but the real irony was that the day I bought the Roval alpinist wheels and rode them up was the day I eventually won the Meilensteins.

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

You were cursed

Jim
Jim
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie Ryce

I never climbed the Alpe, the Lightweight Wheels just appeared in my garage.

Joking of course, I have no idea which time up I got the wheels.

And with 78 climbs so far, I have yet to see the Yeti.

Brian Rhoden
Brian Rhoden
4 years ago

With 430 Alpe climbs done never seen the Yeti once. Got the Lightweight Wheels after 40 Climbs, killed 3 Kickr Climbs in no time.
The Kickr Smart Bike absolutely faultless up to now !

Luciano
Luciano
4 years ago
Reply to  Brian Rhoden

430 ADZ climbs!!!!!! You should be given a IRL Yeti as a pet as a reward!

Tim Perkin
Tim Perkin
4 years ago

OK, so I didn’t believe the story about the Yeti until one Friday, when racing up the Mountain in my Mountain Massif event, I exploded spectacularly, as is often the case at the moment as I battle back to fitness, but I saw the Yeti. It is comparable to the Ice Wampa in Star Wars, Empire Strike Back.

Other points, Wahoo vs Tacx. The new Wahoo KickR 5. Since I got that to test, I have not touched my Tacx Neo. I’m now only keeping it incase the Wahoo breaks.

Jerseys – keep an eye out for my new Mountain Massif jersey. I have approved proofs and am waiting for roll-out. It’s black, looks cool and I will wave to all those that wear it. What next? A Team in ZRL – maybe, but not enough mountains for my liking 🤣

Luciano
Luciano
4 years ago
Reply to  Tim Perkin

A Mountain Massif TT jersey!!!!! (You need to figure out a 45 year old drooling as Pavlov dog seeing a snack). Definetelh mine!!!

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Eric Schlange(@eschlange)
4 years ago
Reply to  Tim Perkin

Tim, are you SURE you saw the Yeti? Maybe that was just a glycogen depletion-fueled hallucination?

Ben Pitt
Ben Pitt
4 years ago

The Yeti? I’ve seen Giorgio, even recorded it – https://youtu.be/-YnY8oRrwrg

Luciano
Luciano
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben Pitt

I Love Giorgio.

rdcyclist (Mark Crane)
rdcyclist (Mark Crane)
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben Pitt

I seen the Yeti a coupla-three times in about 20 trips up The Alpe. I had no idea he was that reclusive for the rest of you guys (and gals).

Ronald
Ronald
4 years ago

Great article, but how could you forget Bologna?!
https://zwiftinsider.com/lucianotes-bologna/

ps, it’s the best route!
(hate crit-city) 😉

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  Ronald

I did not forget Bologna, it is not up to debate. It’s the best circuit full stop.

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago

😁

Ronald
Ronald
4 years ago

auto-ban for eveybody who believes otherwise?

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  Ronald

Of course!!! And public shaming

Sara Lee
Sara Lee
4 years ago

great stuff !!! Laughing out loud!!! Any takes on riders who chose to wear helmet or don’t wear them and the worse of all – wear a running cap for a race!

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  Sara Lee

If you wear a helmet while Zwifting you are really taking yourself super seriously! Kudos 🤣
If you are talking IRL. I don’t think the helmet should be subject of debate. An helmet saved my life.

rdcyclist (Mark Crane)
rdcyclist (Mark Crane)
4 years ago

Yeah, there is absolutely no debate about helmets in Ireland. I had a series of crashes last year after a hiatus of crashing spawning decades. I would’ve been at the very least turned into a Directeur Sportif from the brain damage in two of those. I broke my back in the last one. I may have ended up the head of the UCI in that one…

rdcyclist (Mark Crane)
rdcyclist (Mark Crane)
4 years ago
Reply to  Sara Lee

My brother slags on my all the time for the backwards MAAP cap instead of a helmet. In my defense, the MA hat is pretty distinctive in a pack and there aren’t a lot of them out there…

Bike Links
Bike Links
4 years ago

I was rendered speechless. But eithrt that’s a lie or it passed since ill
add this:

One day on some random ride there was lots of IRL talk and someone quietly typed ‘I think Zwift has become IRL to me’ to which there was respectful silence as we pondered this vulnerable (as per your article fighting words! But they weren’t somehow) and profound statement, realizing the zillion levels of potential interpretation and how (well, maybe me maybe all as) how with such a concepts … could we even know how each other’s minds work IF someone agreed or disagreed (neither happened out loud) about how they even conceive of this fractal-like Rorschach … pedaling and slowly tumbling backwards down our own rabbit/worm holes (a unmixed metaphor couldn’t possibly be appropriate here).somehow)
go with) … alone yet together in our thoughts.

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  Bike Links

All I know is that I spent and still spend so much time Zwifting that there are things at Zwift which became “the new normal”.
May 10th I made my first IRL race, I will write about it as there were many schocking things and some.otjer ridiculous ones.
I could not live without one or the other. I don’t even understand why we oppose one and the other while they should be complementary .

Nick Harrison
Nick Harrison
4 years ago

I have the Tron (nearly one year ago now). I used it for about a month. I rarely use it now even though it was my goal at the time!! Why? I feel (for me) it shouts at other riders “Look at me & what I am riding”. In other words it makes me a target (to be crushed). So I ditched it & became an “average” Zwifter 🙂

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Harrison

I am so astonishingly beautiful that the skin of my avatar glows too. So I cannot prevent from being noticed anyhow. Pink Tron forever

rdcyclist (Mark Crane)
rdcyclist (Mark Crane)
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Harrison

Same. I’ve had mine for well over a year but I don’t bring it out much. Mostly because my avatars complains bitterly about having to spend the entire ride on the drops. He gets no relief when we’re in the pack draft so in the interest of team harmony, The Tron stays in the garage and only comes out for special occasions.

Nick Harrison
Nick Harrison
4 years ago

He never gets a drink either:)

chris benten
chris benten
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Harrison

I am an overweight, older man with no lung capacity/VO2max (hereditary; no professional sports in my genes)…the Tron is my symbol of perseverance and achieving a goal. I ride it 98% of the time in Orange/Yellow (I cannot get dark purple on the slider)…I use a gravel bike for dirt roads in Makuri or the Jungle.

AMS
AMS
4 years ago

I would like to add that in the photo of the zwift set up, those three little fans are completely inadequate. Rocker plate/Kickr Climb and those 3 little fans? that is some ketchup on steak right there.

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  AMS

OMG!!! Do you really think I have only those three little fans? You are missing the star if my ventilating system. Just behind the fan in the center, there is a massive air blowing machine called the blow master or Vacmaster depending on the country. This thing can literally have an elephant levitating…

Demo here:
https://youtu.be/Pd2QrDJllL8

chris benten
chris benten
4 years ago

Does your electric company ask you not to ride during high use periods?

Luciano
Luciano
4 years ago
Reply to  chris benten

I produce my own energy since October 2021. 12 solar panels. My glowing skin was costing too much. So electric company could not care less 😂

Nils
Nils
4 years ago

BM2K 4 Life! Mic Drop

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  Nils

I have a BM2K tatoo

Nils
Nils
4 years ago

I know

rdcyclist (Mark Crane)
rdcyclist (Mark Crane)
4 years ago
Reply to  AMS

Thank you for this. I thought I might be the only one who thought that…

Larry
Larry
4 years ago

I would consider switching out my Tron bike every now and then, but I use ATV so it’s beyond my abilities to change anything.

🐐ReiGBorD🐐
🐐ReiGBorD🐐(@r31680rd)
4 years ago

i have the same kickr in my rocker plate and want to ask you about the weight that you put in the right side of the trainer . it’s the same than the 7.25kg flywheel ????

Luciano
Luciano
4 years ago

Hello!
In my case I needed 4kg to counterweight the flywheel. Depending on where you put the weight and your model of rocker plate it might vary a little.
The best is to read the documentation in the Rocker Plate facebook group and then try with your own setup.

Paul Southworth
Paul Southworth
4 years ago

One more: Category Enforcement vs But I want to race the C’s!

Jim
Jim
4 years ago

I see no mention of Trainer Difficulty. Has it become like Bruno or Fight Club?

Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim

Classic! You are not really a Zwifter if you don’t have 100% trainer difficulty… I heard that one many times.

Jelantik
Jelantik
4 years ago

😂😂. Great article. As far as Tron… I thought it was past the trend now? Lol 😂. I have Tron (I got it in 2016). Only used it for a few years when it was such a big thing.. lol 😂. Now, it isn’t as aero and as light as it used to be (with more new frames and wheelsets being introduced). Now, I love using different frames with different wheelsets for different courses. After all, I have more than 10 Million drops to do some shopping spree.😂😂 So these days, I view Tron as a way to spot newcomers to Zwift.😂 I thought getting the Meilenstein wheel is something you can brag about since it’s hard to get.

Last edited 4 years ago by Jelantik
Luciano Pollastri
Luciano Pollastri
4 years ago
Reply to  Jelantik

I am in depression post Level 50 level now… I need new challenged 🤣

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