Tales from the Blunt End, Part 1

Hi Zwift Insider readers! Long time listener, first time caller.

Yesterday I decided to compete in a short Crit City race. Why should you care about this? Because this race was when I realized exactly what I and Zwift itself is really made of.

You see, I’m a total cycling noob. And it turns out, my experience is nothing like those of Eric, or any of the other ZI contributors. I’m slow and overweight, and even in the lowly D race I enrolled in, I got smoked. This got me thinking: I can’t be the only old, heavy, slow person on Zwift. Maybe my perspective would be useful to other users, and just maybe the developers making the software and hardware too.

So today I’m sharing my first race story, from the blunt end of Zwift.

The Backstory

Recently I decided to find a new form of exercise to be passionate about, and chose cycling. I’m 37, so a bit old for starting a new sport, but I needed to do something new to keep me fit and healthy. I’m young enough, however, that I don’t just want to amble around looking at the view. I want to ride fast and hopefully race too! I don’t even have a road bike, just a straight handlebar hybrid bike in a Tacx Bushido trainer. Start small and upgrade when I can.

I’m 194cm (6’ 4″), which doesn’t make me the most aero of riders. Aero doesn’t matter indoors though, except Zwift asks the question and my mother taught me to be honest, so height is a disadvantage. At least I don’t need to tuck inside.

The bigger issue is the other measurement Zwift requests. I’m currently 102kg (225lbs). I call it fat, but there is some muscle too. I’ve always worked in gyms and while I’ve neglected cardio, I used to lift weights and there is a decent amount of muscle mass. (That said, a few years ago I was a lot heavier, something an improved diet has helped with. You can’t out-train bad eating, after all.)

I’m well aware that speed on Zwift is calculated based on your watts per kilogram, and my ‘per kilogram’ is a big issue. Unfortunately, my ‘watts per’ isn’t much better with my FTP sitting at around 200. Simple maths informs me that a small number divided by a big number equals a tiny number. My 2 w/kg output is quite shoddy indeed, but I love seeing improvements over time, and I figured there is plenty of improvement on the horizon, so I’m able to stay positive on this for now.

I’m also very motivated. It may be due to my recent ride with fellow Welshman Geraint Thomas on his fundraising efforts for medical services in the UK. To be honest though, I didn’t even see G on the ride, I started too far back and despite blasting out of the gates, I couldn’t catch him. I did get a photo of myself riding past Alex Dowsett though. Ok, ok… it was actually him who flew past me up the Surrey Hills on a ride to gather PPE equipment for Israeli medical teams. Dan Martin was also on this ride as the sweeper, I had planned to keep falling off the back so I could have a personal ride with him, but turns out he’s a terrible sweeper and led the ride almost all the way around with Alex in the chasing peloton.

I began my Zwift journey with this site and read everything I could find to start me on my way, from equipment recommendations and setup guides, to choosing the best bike and powerup tips. I’ve been following Monica’s quest for conquering every route, and recently joined in the 25 laps ride. I’m getting to the point where the routes left are increasingly long, and I’m not very quick so they take considerable time out of my day. The Alpe took me 3 hours, and hurt quite a lot, the volcano ride was 40 minutes longer. This is quite a large part of my day at the moment; add in a shower and recovery nap, and it’s a full day’s work.

I made a decision that before I resumed any longer routes, I wanted to be quicker, and that meant lighter and fitter. So yesterday I decided to try something different and do a race. A race would be a good workout, a good test of fitness, and I’d probably lose some weight. Perfect… or so I thought.

The Plan

Races come in categories, A thru D. And the D category is typically for riders with an average w/kg of 1.0-2.49. This is where I am right now, a solid 2.0. I know I’ve held 200W for long periods before, and a 200W FTP theoretically means it should be possible to keep that up for an hour. But I wanted to be towards the sharp end of this blunt end race. I didn’t want to get dropped after 5 minutes and complete a solo ride. So I opted for a short Crit City race, 8 laps and about 15km. Worst case scenario, at 30kph, this would take me 30 minutes. Crit City is largely flat, too, with less than 150m of climbing for the whole race. I know I can easily hold over 30kph on the flat, and if I can stay in the bunch and get a good draft too…

I’d recently watched Kevin Bouchard Hall teaching Ted King how to race. My main takeaways were:

  1. Attack the start – races start quick but it will settle into a rhythm.
  2. Pack position – too far ahead and you’ll have no draft, too far back and you’ll be dropped with a surge.
  3. Don’t get dropped – without the draft it’s impossible.
  4. Ramp up for the hills – everyone attacks on the hills. Crit City doesn’t have many, but if you don’t attack them you’ll get dropped.
  5. Don’t get dropped – I put it in twice, as it seemed important.
  6. Time your boosts – and hope for a good aero for the sprint finish.

Sounds simple enough, it’s basically pedal hard until the line, but not too hard to give others your draft. It’s like the old Alain Prost quote, “Win the race at the slowest speed possible.” I don’t want to be towing others around for free.

The Preparation

I warmed up with a quick lap of Richmond’s Fan Flats. I chucked in a little sprint here and there. Could I have warmed up for longer? Probably. Would it have helped? Probably not. If anything a longer warm-up would have been reclassified as a workout for me and fatigued me for the race. My warm-up was 10 minutes long at an average of 124w and 119 hr.

Unlike Eric, I don’t have any caffeine gum, and don’t have any magic leg gel either. Just man and machine for this one. I joined the race 5 minutes early and kept my legs warm with some low-resistance spinning. I remembered Kevin telling Ted to light up the watts before the start, so I ramped up slowly at 30 seconds out, increased the ramp at 10 seconds, and when the race started was pushing a respectable 485w. (I think Kevin and Ted kept around this power for the whole of their race, which I find inconceivable based on where I am.

The Race

It’s worth pointing out here that I’m hyper-competitive once the event starts. I’ve played basketball, although not very well and not for several years, but I coach at a decent level and I hate losing. It infuriates me. If there’s one thing I wasn’t worried about it was getting off the bike thinking I didn’t try hard. It was far more likely I would burn out after one lap and I’d get off the bike for an early shower and pretend the whole thing didn’t happen.

My initial 485w is nearly 5 w/kg. That’s double the average for this race. I was happy I could output this amount, and my little (quite large compared to the other riders) avatar pushed forwards through the pack. This was as positive as the race got for me. Kevin said to push at the start, it would settle into a rhythm, and that rhythm should now be under 2.5 w/kg.

It didn’t settle. There was a rhythm, and it was very high.

I tried to keep up with the leaders, “Don’t get dropped!” I had listed twice. Apparently in the draft I could save 1 w/kg. I’m sure that scales once you’re as slow as me, but if I could have half of that I would be happy. Don’t get dropped.

I’m dropped. I keep my watts as high as I can for as long as I can, but there is no let up. I’ve been dropped from the lead group. With no draft to help I’m quickly caught by the next group. Great, I’ll draft these good cyclis….. nope, they’ve flown past me too. Turns out when your speed is so different to theirs, by the time you catch the draft effect it’s gone and you don’t get any benefit at all. After being 30th after the first corner, I slipped to 60th by the time we hit the little rises, 100th by the end of the first lap, 150th pretty soon after this.

There were 270 in the race. My target went from sticking in the lead pack to not coming last in just a few minutes. Apart from point 1, the quick start, the game plan had gone out of the window.

  1. There was no pack to have position in.
  2. I had been dropped.
  3. I was trying to ramp up for the hills, but these guys felt like 4 brutal gut punches compared to what I had prepared myself for.
  4. I had been dropped by the second pack too.
  5. I was not timing any powerup boosts well.

I was mostly getting the trucks to boost my drafting abilities. This would be great if I was in a pack, but even using this and a little burst of power when a rider came past me I still couldn’t catch a wheel.

Truth is, my legs were dead. That start was a huge overextension for me, and I realised from comments that they were sandbagging and I would never have been able to stay with them. They were simply too strong for the D race. With no chance to recover, my power dropped to around 150w with small spikes as I hit the gradients. I was still slipping too, back to 200th place now, only 70 behind me… ominous! There was one cyclist zipping past occasionally on what I would guess was a rocket bike. He was either cheating or glitching.

By the last lap I found a little extra in my legs to increase back to over 200w, which renewed a little lost pride. Then with a few corners left I realised I was catching someone; very slowly, but catching none the less. Cadence up, gear changed, this was now my whole purpose. This was now my Champs Elysees sprint finish, my Alpe stage victory bid, my Olympic time trial race. I was 226th, but I could smell 225th. Three corners to go, I was quicker, he was slower. Two corners to go and I passed him easily, not quite the photo finish glory moment but 225th place was mine. Victory!!!

Oh wait, I’m being caught by someone else, catching me quickly too, I could see the gap in meters disappear. Out of the saddle, I wind up with power to a race-high 532 watts. Start fast, finish fast, I guess it was just the middle 90% that was a disaster. He caught me on the line for his own photo finish glory, and sent me backward to 226th. Furious!

Race Results

I finished the race with an average of 174w/kg. I know I can do better, just need to ride my race and not get distracted by the riders out of my league. A lesson learned. Average cadence was 90 which is always my target. Average HR was 156 with a max of 175. At 37 my max HR should be 183, and I certainly felt it was my legs that failed me on this one, not my CV system. Combined with my 226th finish, my stats left me wanting a do-over with my new knowledge. But it’s my first race and not a bad place to start. Hungry for more is a good sign.

But wait, this isn’t over. The official results pop up on the Companion app and seem to filter out some bad apples, and I’m up to 215th. I check the list to see who won and this is where I start to realise that all is not as it seems. If we discount Mr Glitch, the race winner of the sub 2.5w/kg D race, averaged 5.34w/kg. This seems a tad unfair. Worse still, you have to drop to 104th position before you find anyone who kept within the prescribed wattage. I accept that some people may tip over the limit a little bit, but over double is quite annoying. The winner of the A race finished with a 5.4w/kg, albeit with a slightly faster time, but still not far ahead of the D race winner. Clearly trying to stick with this group early on negatively impacted my own race.

Time to head to ZwiftPower! That’s right, I’ve all the gear and no idea. But as Eric says, if it’s not on ZwiftPower it doesn’t count, and here’s hoping for 215 disqualifications and a champagne moment on the top of the podium as I’m presented with my blue D race jersey. Now I’m suddenly 44th place. New race winner was a Canadian rider who crossed the line in 40th in the game.

At first, I thought about how happy they must be to see that. But then I thought about how they were robbed of the feeling of crossing the line in first place. I understand Zwift is introducing new rules to prevent this behaviour, and it can’t come soon enough.

The new race winner held an average of 2.75w/kg. While this is over the race limits, it’s not much, and it seems achievable to me. I want to win a D race after all, so here is my plan:

  • Retest my FTP: I’ve not tested for a while and it would be good to know exactly where I am now.
  • Get fitter: I always knew this would be on the horizon, I need to start using workouts instead of free rides to push my FTP up. I did an FTP builder last November/December, but then I got married, Christmas happened, and I toured Italy on our honeymoon, so it’s probably all lost progress now.
  • Lose weight: I dropped 35kg a few years ago. I’m never going to be a 60kg climbing specialist, but if I can drop to 90kg that would make a big difference. Diet review needed.
Losing 10% weight + Increase FTP 10% =    Increase w/kg 22%
100kg -> 90kg200w -> 220w2.0w/kg -> 2.44w/kg

This 2.44w/kg seems achievable and puts me right at the upper end of the D category. This is my first target, and if Eric will have me, I plan to document this journey in the hopes it helps any other Zwifters in my position.

I also really hope that Zwift sort the sandbagging features out for the D races. Without the disqualified riders, there were only 48 riders left in my race. I can’t help but think D race participation would increase if it was more fun and fair. I certainly wasn’t thrilled about the idea of doing another right away.

Final Thoughts

I’ve been around sports development long enough to know that the bottom of the sports pyramid is far bigger than the top. There are more amateur cyclists in the world than pro cyclists, and more slow ones than quick ones. And since we all pay the same per person, it makes sense to ensure that Zwift appeals to the slow one just as much as the quick ones. I think they already do this better than other platforms, with a gamified and social experience.

This is not to say that faster and pro riders are not welcome – all sports pyramids are funded by the masses on the blunt end, while the sharp end provides the expertise and inspiration to ensure the blunt end is supported and developed. I’m very grateful for the expert knowledge from the likes of Eric, GPLama, DC Rainmaker, and the aforementioned video by Kevin. And I was equally inspired by Monica’s route quest, and chances to ride with pros like Geraint, Alex, and Dan.

I’m looking forward to what’s coming next. I hope you’ll join me on the journey… from the blunt end!

Your Thoughts

Please share your comments below!

Bryan Culliford
Bryan Culliford
When he joined Zwift in 2020, Bryan was brand-new to both Zwift and cycling in general, and possibly the least fit person to work in a gym. But he's on a continual quest to get quicker. He lives in Wales with his wife, 2 dogs, and cat.

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6 years ago

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6 years ago
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Stephen de Souza
Stephen de Souza
6 years ago

Thanks for an interesting article. A couple of comments (from someone who is new to Zwift, but an experienced cyclist, so a bit fitter and a lot older and lighter than you):

  1. I wouldn’t pay any attention to age related HR Max. That’s totally discredited. Your HR Max is whatever it is and the name of the game is about increasing what you can do at a particular HR, rather than worrying about the number that your HR Max happens to be.
  2. All your targets sound very achievable to me. My FTP was about 200 after an accident resulting in a broken knee cap and 2.5 years later is about 250 and probably has a bit more to go, so I think you could probably be even more ambitious but a 10% improvement should be very achievable, particularly for someone untrained.

Good luck and look forward to hearing more about your journey.

Andy Beveridge
6 years ago

Great article. If you are looking for a team that has a lot of genuine D cat riders you can ride and race with then check out TeamTFC. Also the WTRL TTTs mocha class is a great place to race as part of a team of mixed C and D cat riders.

Steve Pritchard
Steve Pritchard
6 years ago

Great post Bryan! I’d recommend checking out the HERD on Facebook – there’s loads of great people in the D/C category and loads of really nice events 🙂

Greg Collins
Greg Collins
6 years ago

^This. Though I did get dropped and toasted on a Herd Clyde/Athena last night I had a ball doing so.

Mark Eidem
Mark Eidem
6 years ago

I totally agree with seeking out the HERD. Mooo!

Tim
Tim
6 years ago

I’d guess many of those who rode D for that race thought it was a distance-based category rather than ability-based. Zwift frustratingly uses both setups for crit city races.

MATHEW M ROSE
MATHEW M ROSE
6 years ago

Very nice article. As one who is not keen on using Zwift to build fitness but not a fan of racing, I’ve found that the ZwiftInsider leaderboards on VeloViewer offer the best opportunity to race against the competition that matters most: my own most past times. As long as we all keep improving and winning that race, we’ve won the race that counts.

Ed Quarin
Ed Quarin
6 years ago
  1. Very well said Bryan. I too am a D racer and have felt the same thing as you. If all the sandbaggers could be eliminated at the beginning I think D level races would be very competitive.
Jeff Summers
Jeff Summers
6 years ago

Great story. I am in the same boat. Hope to see you in a race soon. Good luck

Matt
Matt
6 years ago

Hi Bryan, thanks for sharing your story! I had a lot of fun reading it… Being robbed of the real race feeling on the course and especially the victory feeling on the finish line is extremely annoying and I hope Zwift is taking action very soon! Looking forward to reading more from you!

thierry allegrucci
thierry allegrucci
6 years ago

Bryan, great article and I enjoyed your writing. Keep on training and you’ll reach your goals which are very attainable in my opinion. Cheers!

John Hall
John Hall
6 years ago

Excellent article Bryan. The only way is up man ! Stick at it. I empathise with the whole sandbagging issue on Zwift, I hope they can sort this out.

Keith Maclure
Keith Maclure
6 years ago

Brilliant write up mate. Keep up the good work!👍

Ris
Ris
6 years ago

Hi Bryan, as another D rider I really enjoyed your article. I’ve done 4 or 5 Crit City races now and it’s my favourite Zwift circuit. I’m getting better, much better and knowing the course more helps too. I have also been irritated by the blatent non-D riders riding in the wrong category but I’ve had two Zwift Power 4ths and a 5th but have yet to make a podium, which is obviously a target though finishing the course in a PB time is really my goal. Please write more articles. Thank you.

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Starving Artist(@blerghhh)
6 years ago

As a former dad-bod owner, I can relate. I’ve never won a podium, and have now found myself at the blunt-end of the B category. It’s frustrating to have a great race with a top 10 finish but be “WKG” or “UPG” by zwiftpower. There is “a snowballs chance” that I’ll ever finish on a B podium due to my age, height, and genetic unremarkability.

Matt Tourville
Matt Tourville
6 years ago

Careful what you wish for…plenty of 50+ guys that can crank 4w/kgs+ out there! Have fun and get more fit, you will be surprised in a year how much stronger you will be!!! Cheers and tell your legs to Shut-Up!!! MT

roger haybittle
roger haybittle
6 years ago

great article! we need more average rider´s impressions. keep it coming.

Ron Chatfield
Ron Chatfield
6 years ago

Thanks for sharing your experience Bryan. Your writing will help many I think who struggle but will see the benefits of riding in their lives. Keep up the nice work.

Jandre Engelbrecht
Jandre Engelbrecht
6 years ago

Hi Bryan, was in the same boat as you beginning of the year
Dropped my weight from 129kg to 115kg and upped my FTP from 220W to 278W
Within 5 months I can hold my own in a genuine D Cat race and according to ZwiftPower I even managed to podium a couple of times and win one race

Marco
Marco
6 years ago

Great story. FWIW from a fellow Zwifter with little experience, rather than focusing on your FTP I would advise to pay more attention to your 1-min and 5-min power. Go slightly below these values at the start of the race and just see which pack you end up in. Stick to that pack and race it like you own it. After a couple of races, push your start efforts and see if you can manage to hang in a faster pack. It’s may not be ideal, but I’ve found it an effective way of ending up in a pack that let’s me push my limit. Sometimes you get dropped, other times you make it to the sprint

Mark Eidem
Mark Eidem
6 years ago
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Thanks for the great advice!

Wayne
Wayne
6 years ago

Great article, really enjoyed the read, inspired me to do my first crit now !

Heather
Heather
6 years ago

So appreciate your perspective! It’s great to read about your experience being new to Zwift and cycling. Keep it coming! I can relate.

Graham Davidson
Graham Davidson
6 years ago

Bryan, what an excellent post and great to see you are enjoying Zwift and cycling as a means to regain your fitness. I have been with Zwift since the Beta days and really enjoy the group riding experience having thought that racing was not for me. I too read about how races started fast as didn’t stop until the end. This was not for me especially with my low FTP of 165 but I am only 66kg. With all the additional cycling I have been able to do with lockdown and finding myself better able to work at the front of group rides I thought I would also try a Crit race. Not a million miles away from your story, blasted off from the start but was constantly overtaken throughout the race. Joined Zwiftpower and started on the 3R race series after first D cat race results showed I was not last and carried on. 3 more races saw me DQ’d for being over pwered in D race so now race in C races. I am close to the bottom on each race but I am slowly getting faster and stronger and was delighted the other day to ‘win’ my sprint for the line. Zwiftpower is definitely the way to go. It is highly unlikely that I will ever win a Cat C race or gain a sprint or KOM jersey but none of that puts me off I am just enjoying the experience and getting fitter than all the others just sitting on their couches. Thanks for your story, it made great reading and enjoy your journey to a healthier you. Ride On!

Thane Phillips
Thane Phillips
6 years ago

This is a great write-up about the challenges the majority of people face on Zwift and racing. I am looking forward to following the journey

Oliver Radermacher
Oliver Radermacher
6 years ago

What an excellent and interesting article! Thanks a lot for charing your experiencies and welcome to Zwift!!! Keep on your efforts and you will be rewarded.I for myself did only one Crit City Race (8 laps – Cat C) and although I thought I could maybe handle this, I was also quickly dropped and had to fight untill the end. These races are crazy and I cannot push these hard watts on flats for a longer time. When I do some group rides or Zwift event rides and it goes up its nice to see how many people I can overtake (ok, I am a bit lighter :-)), but I think I have to learn a lot for next Crit City Races. I hope we can follow your journey here and I hope we see on one of the routes or at some races or group rides. Ride On!!!

Randy Lathouwers
Randy Lathouwers
6 years ago

Hi Bryan. Am also trying to build my path from the bottom, so it was nice to read your story. Keep up the good work (both riding & writing) and hope to meet you one day on the podium of a D Race!

Little Chris
Little Chris
6 years ago

Really great piece – loved it.

Greg Collins
Greg Collins
6 years ago

Good write up. A question… Is your FTP really 200w? Not as in Zwift calculated it, but as in can you go out for an hour and sustain 200w? Zwift via a ramp test says my FTP is marginally higher than yours, and I’m slightly lighter, and in a sprint I can push well over 500w, but as an older guy, with many years or IRL randoneur style cycling, returning after a break where running took over my life, I know that if I tried to hold 200+w for an hour, at current state of fitness, I couldn’t.

Zwift is a game, and some of the features flatter the players. Don’t be down on yourself for not making against expectations. You took part, you weren’t a DNS or DNF or a DQ. Well done.

I’d like Zwift to introduce a CatE proper sub 2w/kg social race category with hard fencing / auto in race DQ to keep the games played by the players to a minimum.

milhouse
milhouse
6 years ago

Great article, thank you for sharing! From my own experience I think your goals are very achievable. I started cycling outdoors 13 months ago; I weighed 92kg and had an FTP of roughly 2 W/kg. I began Zwifting last December, and by the start of 2020 I’d dropped to about 77kg and had reached 2.8 W/kg. Now I’m just under 70kg and hit the 4.0 W/kg mark last week. Good luck with your fitness quest, I look forward to reading about it! 🙂

milhouse
milhouse
6 years ago
Reply to  milhouse

should add that I’m nearly 40 and my heart rate only goes above 170bpm when I’m pushing ridiculously hard; the highest I’ve ever seen it is 178, and only for a tiny amount of time. As other folk have said, don’t worry about your max HR – it’ll do what it does 🙂

Mark C
Mark C
6 years ago

Great write up! I look forward to more installments of your fitness journey.

Mike landmann
Mike landmann
6 years ago

I can relate to everything you said. A 6ft 3 normal middle aged bloke who thinks he is is fit, but a tiny bit overweight.

The facts were (in my case anyway)

  1. Not fit
  2. BMI over 25
  3. It’s more fat than muscle that makes up the 100kg.
  4. 10 minutes at FTP wipes me out

I’ve managed to lose a load of weight and got my wkg to nearly 3 from a similar starting point at the end of last year.

Now in C cat. I get dropped just the same, it doesn’t get any easier.

Heavyman#3
Heavyman#3
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike landmann

This is totally me, but behind you.

  • 39 years
  • 6 ft 3
  • 97.5 kg
  • Ramp test says I have an FTP of 240ish, though there’s no chance in hell I can hold that for a full hour on a flat course.

Question for you and the author (who are of similar build): do you find that the ramp test drastically overestimates your true FTP?

Mike – Were your gains in watts/kg more from power improvement or weight loss? I’ve been doing this for 4 or 5 months now, and while I’m getting great gains in power output, I just can’t seem to drop weight (I am replacing lots of fat with muscle, though, I think).

English Bloke
English Bloke
6 years ago
Reply to  Heavyman#3

Try doing a twenty minute effort FTP test and see how you do. Might be much better than you think.

MHolden
MHolden
6 years ago

Great Article! Looking forward to seeing you reach your goals!
I’m loving reading all of the positive comments! Keep it up Zwift community!!

Phil Parkes
Phil Parkes
6 years ago

Fascinating and funny write up Bryan. I feel honoured that we have already bumped into each other on Zwift. Keep it lit and I’ll see you out there again so that I can draft you 🙂

Mostafa Mossaad
Mostafa Mossaad
6 years ago

Aw man. At least your race ended and went to Zwift power.
My race at https://www.zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=789346 seems to have glitched and it’s still “LIVE”. It was on 20-MAY-2020. Today is 26-MAY-2020

Michael Bogges
Michael Bogges
6 years ago

Great Post. I have been thinking of doing a Crit City event and now is better than later. I share your frustration with Zwift’s choice to allow the blatant “out-of-cat” cheating. Seems to me that all race results should ONLY be viewable on the Zwift Power site. I don’t care about seeing my race result immediately” I want accurate results.
I know that Zwift has recently implemented anti-sandbagging “controls” but I have not done any races since last October of ’19. Maybe the the new controls will improve the situation.One can remain hopeful!

I look forward to reading your next post.

Cory Miller
Cory Miller
6 years ago

Really enjoyed the article Bryan and look forward to more of them as you continue your Zwift fitness & fun journey! Ride on and we’ll see you in the start pens soon, mate! Cory MTCC D/95kg/SATx

Bruce D.
Bruce D.
6 years ago

Thank you. I greatly enjoyed your article. It mirrors my experience just fighting to hang onto groups that are much stronger than me where it becomes a question of how long can I hang with them rather than can I stay with them to the finish.

I think your story really highlights very well how much sandbaggers disrupt and hurt the race as well as destroying the experience of those trying to race.

Andrew
Andrew
6 years ago

Interesting read. I did my first zwift race yesterday as well. My FTP puts me at about 2.3w/kg. I disagree about being able to hold that for an hour so thought max 30min effort at crit city was a good idea. Not as many in my race but I came 23rd from 30 in the D race. Crazy speed from the start by so many. What was really annoying was a small group being 1minute behind me at lap 3, ending up winning and 5 minutes ahead. Either very good drafting or mis set FTP. They knocked out over 4w/kg for the race.

I’m going to stick to personal training and some group rides. There is no point in racing when it seems the rules are there to break (maybe they’ll use a Dominic Cummings excuse- for any UK readers). I was done at the end. Perhaps hitting a race with friends, then we can draft like a pro team. But that isn’t possible. All my friends are so far ahead.

Howard Brodie
Howard Brodie
6 years ago

I really enjoyed your post. This is exactly the reason that I do not race. I either do group rides (Herd, Pack, CryoGen, etc.) or solo rides. I would love to race, but seeing folks holding 4watts/kg and higher for sustained periods is tremendously dispiriting! A race category for the 1.5 to 2.5 set would be fantastic. Zwiftpower is great, but does not help my in-game experience.

MAximilian Krause
MAximilian Krause
6 years ago

Great post! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Two tips from me: When racing your first races, try hard out of the pen, but not too hard. Try to find a group that holds a pace you can hold as well! so much more fun to do it in a group!

And:
Instead of workouts done alone I recommend doing group rides that have a “workout built-in”. I was riding with Team CLS and Team TBR group rides. The ride leader builds in challenges. These rides combine a “training effort” with “resting effort” and as a bonus you get a “group ride feeling” and tipps for specific routes. AND do not forget the banter!! So much fun!

Unfortunately these are for C grade riders, but I am sure there are group rides that fit you (like the HERD group rides, or the TBR Crikey Down Under). Plus you ride with “stars” like Sharron Yaxley and others!

Henry Thompson
Henry Thompson
6 years ago

I loved reading this! Go Bryan

Kenneth Jankowski
Kenneth Jankowski
6 years ago

Well written sir! I personally never participate in the races for the very reasons stated, they are very skewed with all the sandbaggers, but I do participate in the large group ride events and try to find the groups that I just barely hang onto to challenge myself and get a race type workout. I have found those to be most enjoyable. Best of luck with your fitness goals, there are many of us at ‘the blunt end’ riding with you!

Kev T
Kev T
6 years ago

Good write up, look forward to seeing how you progress. Keep up the good work and welcome to the crazy world of Crit racing. Ride on 👍

Martin
Martin
6 years ago

Nice one mate, I’m a heavy rider too (114kg down from 122kg), and relatively new too (Jan this year I started). I entered a race once and decided not again until I am lighter and fitter, FTP currently at 175 up from 138 on my first FTP test in Jan and I’m about due another.

Marsha Wartell
Marsha Wartell
6 years ago

Great article and well written. I’ve been on Zwift for two years and started doing the races less than a yer ago. I’m addicted to them and get bored if i had to go slow. Your concern over weight has an advantage to drop it of use it to advantage. I know some heavy weights that are fast. So to the flipside I’m not young rather a senior at 47kg so I’ll always probably ride in D even though I’m borderline moving up to C. You pushing 2.5 w/kg gives you more speed; hence larger quads.But nonetheless I’m like you on the competitive side and don’t wear my heart rate monitor. Mainly I don’t want to see it and trouble getting it to connect. I just watch my watts and how I feel. But I never stop pushing myself. I was told it’s a mind game but all the info you stated is what I’ve read and learned from the insider too ! Actually got 1st in a race last night per Zwiftpower and 5th/19 in Companion. Keep dropping the hammer and race on.

Steve Bowman
Steve Bowman
6 years ago

Funny as hell. More Bryan please. BTW – we’ve all been there.

Sara Lance
Sara Lance
6 years ago

Bryan,

Excellent job and fantastic writeup from a solid D ! Similar to you my goal is not come last in a crit race and I find I have a similar race experience at every level. You perfect summarize the life of a D rider. Keep up the great work and I look forward to seeing you in the D back packers in Watopia .. Ride on..

Sara Lance (L.o.T)

Nathan
Nathan
6 years ago

This article really resonated with me as my situation is quite similar. In July 2019 I was 6′ 6″ and 225lb. I’m now down to 205lb but still struggling in most races.

For me, it’s an endurance issue. I can hang with the pack for the first 35-45 minutes but then I lose the draft. And like you mentioned, once lost, it’s very difficult to jump back on. I’ll exhaust myself just trying to get back on the train and can’t maintain my pace and drop off again. I’ve become accustomed to just finishing off the last few km by myself just for pride’s sake.

I’ve enjoyed riding with the ZZRC group. They have a few rides every week with a 1.5kw/g pace that are enjoyable and stress-free and I’m using them to increase my endurance.

Darren
Darren
6 years ago

Good job! I’m an old, slow, heavy rider and I’ve made my peace with it. I’m getting slightly less slow and slightly less heavy… fortunately also getting older because it beats the alternative. So that’s good enough for me.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

I’m a Clydesdale and have 12 more years on you. I’ll be honest, for YEARS i religiously updated my weight in every cycling app (including Zwift) just so I was playing by the rules and had good data. Zwift punishes you for that.

Zwift discriminates against Clydesdales. Plain and simple. Their modeling was probably never based on anything other than their own “ideal” rider and scaled from there with no real world comparison.

If I know what YEARS of real world data tells me over thousands of miles, varying road conditions, varying weather, varying bikes, tires – you name it – I know what my average speed is or what kind of power I can output with a Quarq. Zwift is never even CLOSE unless I change my weight much lower than what it really is.

I don’t slog up a hill at 3mph in the real world, I’m not going to do it in Zwift just because they can’t scale or get better comparison data from anywhere. I won’t race in Zwift because I don’t want to cheat with Zwift rules. I ride Zwift to just pass the time – mostly in the winter – but I gave up ok trying when it’s so bad compared to real riding.

Jason y
Jason y
6 years ago

Great article Brian, keep ’em coming!

Jason y
Jason y
6 years ago
Reply to  Jason y

sorry Bryan .. spelling not my thing

Joe Conley
Joe Conley
6 years ago

Interesting piece, thanks for posting. If you keep at it (racing) it should get more fun. Sounds like you started that race too fast—I’m a D category Clydesdale type myself, though an older one than you, and I shoot for a start somewhere in the 300 watts area and don’t hold that for long. The Crits races are harder than others—I only did one and finished, as I recall, dead last. But I can almost always find a group to ride with (draft from) in other races, as long as there’s not too much climbing.

It gets addictive, even at the slow D level; you learn to ignore almost everyone, and find a few or a handful to work with/duel with. I find ZwiftPower if limited use, though. Many of my races have three or fewer D category finishers, so getting a medal is less than thrilling. More meaningful to finish Somewhere in the middle of the D racers in Zwift’s grouping. Sure, a lot of the faster D finishers don’t belong in the D category, but like I say, you learn to ignore almost everyone and focus only on those at your level.

Hope to read more!

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