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    “Four Horsemen” Route Details (Watopia)

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    Animated “Four Horsemen” Route Details (Watopia) Map
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    When it was released in March 2018, the “Four Horsemen” covered all of Watopia’s timed climbs: the original Hilly KOM, Volcano KOM, Epic KOM, and Alpe du Zwift. Along the way it also covered (nearly) every bit of Watopian road.

    The Fuego Flats and Titans Grove extensions were released after this route launched, so Four Horsemen is no longer a nearly complete tour of Watopia.

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    When it was released in March 2018, the “Four Horsemen” covered all of Watopia’s timed climbs: the original Hilly KOM, Volcano KOM, Epic KOM, and Alpe du Zwift. Along the way it also covered (nearly) every bit of Watopian road.

    The Fuego Flats and Titans Grove extensions were released after this route launched, so Four Horsemen is no longer a nearly complete tour of Watopia.

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    Route Basics

    Length: 89.3 km (55.5 miles)
    Elevation:
    2112 m (6,929‘)
    Lead-In: 0.6 km (0.4 miles)
    Map: Watopia

    Restriction: Level 6+

    Achievement Badge: 1780 XP

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    Interesting bit of trivia – this is the only Watopia route which includes a descent of Alpe du Zwift!

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    This is no leisure tour: be ready to work as you climb over 2000 meters in just under 90 kilometers! And be warned: hitting the Alpe after working your way over the previous climbs proves to be both a mental and physical challenge. Prepare yourself!

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    James Metcalfe
    James Metcalfe
    2 years ago

    I was prepared for the climbing, i wasn’t expecting the hardest part of the route to be the 15km of gravel AFTER descending the alp. This surface “feature” makes the jungle loop unbearable for me, which makes the alpe inaccessible. I can’t see why anyone would think this feature is a good idea, I mean fine for short sections but the jungle loop is not a short section, and having to put out 200watts to maintain a speed below 30kmh on a downhill is just a farce. Swapping bikes mid route is a joke and I don’t want to climb… Read more »

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    MATHEW M ROSE
    MATHEW M ROSE(@matrose617)
    2 years ago
    Reply to  James Metcalfe

    Yeah, I wanted to turn Überpretzel into my first vCentury, but I cut the ride at 93 miles after descending the Alpe and realizing I didn’t know how to avoid the gravel. I’m absolutely going to pause the ride and switch over to a MTB for this route, because I agree that the gravel feature is not for me in virtual riding (although, strangely, I like it when riding with my kids IRL).

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    Greg Schisla
    Greg Schisla
    1 year ago
    Reply to  James Metcalfe

    Cry more.

    Or maybe pedal harder?

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    Doug Gerard
    Doug Gerard(@douglas-gerard)
    7 months ago
    Reply to  James Metcalfe

    If you are not racing, have found it to be less of a pain to change over to my mountain bike for the gravel sections.

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    Lara cowden
    Lara cowden(@laracowden)
    1 year ago

    Should note that this includes the bonus climb

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    Julián Alzate
    Julián Alzate
    1 year ago

    Well, another lost badge, last week no luck with uber pretzel and some others had the same issue, today finished four horsemen and no, no badge, rode even up the zwift Kom just in case and no luck there, went down again and no, definitely no badge. Another bug? A total of 95km and no badge and no xp.

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    Sam Cates
    Sam Cates(@sam_cates)
    1 year ago
    Reply to  Julián Alzate

    I’m the same. Did it today…no badge. Soooo frustrating.

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    jack
    jack
    1 year ago

    i did this course and got no badge, this is the reply i got from zwift support. Thanks for reaching out to us! I’m sorry to hear that you aren’t seeing the badge that you were expecting, but I’m happy to provide more information. Many of the courses in Zwift have lead-ins that aren’t part of the main route, and this portion doesn’t count toward the badge achievement. To earn a particular route badge, you’ll have to complete the lead-in to get to the route and then ride the full distance on the route. While I’d like to credit your… Read more »

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    Julián Alzate
    Julián Alzate
    1 year ago
    Reply to  jack

    I received the same answer for the Uber Pretzel, it is a predetermined answer, I wrote them again with proof that I finished it all and they haven’t said anything yet. I hate when they say about the lead in, that is beyond obvious and is a lead in, it comes first so you either do it or do it.

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    kieran
    kieran
    1 year ago
    Reply to  Julián Alzate

    have you contacted blue Peter? heard they have a pretty cool badge? maby if you send them a message they take pity and send you one? or perhaps you could just jump back on your bike and send it like a man 😥

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    Flavio Mrack
    Flavio Mrack
    1 year ago
    Reply to  jack

    Same situation but I’ve found out what happened. I use Zwift on a iPad, if I change the app during the route (just for a while) I can come back to Zwift and complete the route but I dont’t get the badge. Só my tip is: don’t ever change the Zwift app while riding on Zwift.

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    Paul
    Paul
    10 months ago
    Reply to  jack

    It is rubbish and I’ve been burned by this before so now I don’t stop riding until I see the route completed banner pop up on the screen.

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    luke
    luke
    5 months ago
    Reply to  Paul

    smart

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    Brian
    Brian
    1 year ago

    It definitely seems like there’s a bug with this route currently because I rode it for the first time this afternoon and also didn’t get the badge or XP. Like Julián above I also went back up the Zwift KOM a second time just in case and stretched the ride well past the 90 km (route + lead in), so it’s not an “oops you forgot the lead in” issue. I liked the ride (well, except for the jungle…) but am bummed about the badge.

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    Julián Alzate
    Julián Alzate
    1 year ago
    Reply to  Brian

    That lead in excuse from swift is beyond lame to me, it comes firts on the route, there is no way you can just forget it and we all now that the end of every route is crossing some banner so we just don’t ride X amount of km and that is it, we ride and we make sure to cross a banner and besides the lead in for this route, or the uber which I had the same problem, are short, is not like we have lead ins of more than 10k like in Innsbruck. And yes, the route… Read more »

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    David BigJohn
    David BigJohn
    1 year ago

    This was supposed to be my last badge. I stretched it even to 109km.
    In Strava I could see that I had completed the “Four Horsemen (Zwift Insider Verified)” segment.
    After the “missed” (also not given badge) Uber Pretzel last weekend it is a shame that Zwift hasn’t fixed it yet.
    I was entertaining though to see myself in the live Vlog of GPLama (who did Quatch Quest) on Youtube!

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    Carl J
    Carl J(@runbikebbq)
    7 months ago
    Reply to  David BigJohn

    You get the badge when the message displays on the screen that you finished. NOT when you complete the Zwift Verified Route.

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    SIMON RIZK
    SIMON RIZK
    1 year ago

    I did it 2 times and no badge is there a limit of time to be completed?

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    Julián Alzate
    Julián Alzate
    1 year ago
    Reply to  SIMON RIZK

    There is no time limit, zwift is just not giving the badge, same situation with the uber pretzel and if you write to them they write you back with a lame excuse related to the lead in and in theory you can write to them again sending proof that you did the whole route and guess what, they just don’t write back again.

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    Flavio Mrack
    Flavio Mrack
    1 year ago
    Reply to  Julián Alzate

    Same situation but I’ve found out what happened. I use Zwift on a iPad, if I change the app during the route (just for a while) I can come back to Zwift and complete the route but I dont’t get the badge.

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    David Jones
    David Jones(@david-jones150)
    1 year ago

    Aero bike for this route, or Tarmac Pro?

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    Biggins
    Biggins
    1 year ago
    Reply to  David Jones

    Tarmac or Emonda all the way

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    Biggins
    Biggins
    1 year ago
    Reply to  Biggins

    I also completed at weekend and got badge no problem. Jungle is annoying but easily achievable, didn’t slow me down that much.

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    Bert Marchal
    Bert Marchal
    1 year ago

    Did it today, got the badge 🙂 I used the Hunter’s Challenge ‘the mega’ workout with my ftp set to 90% of its normal value. This brought me halfway back down the Alpe. Last 16km from the bottom of the Alpe were the hardest. Jungle killed me, I should have changed to MTB for that. All in all, it took exactly 4 hours

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    Sam
    Sam
    1 year ago
    Reply to  Bert Marchal

    I completed today and earned badge. Zone 3 effort and took 4 hrs. Yes, gravel climb out of jungle is the killer as by that time you’ve climbed the big ones and just want to get on with it.

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    JF Cheung
    JF Cheung
    1 year ago

    Yeah. I did it the other day and got the badge.😀 On the jungle route I always switch to the canyon grail (saw this bike swap at GP Lamas vids first) I think its a bit easier on a gravel bike.
    Overall it was hard but my 20+ dropouts on the climb Alps the Zwift drove me crazy..
    Dropout from the turbo trainer are like chain drop IRL,
    Thanks for the great route details.

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    Simon Shackleton
    Simon Shackleton
    1 year ago

    Terrific route – has a bit of everything. The last section in the jungle felt okay – changed to a mountain bike at the foot of the alpe and then back to the road bike when I hit the tarmac. Completed in 3hr 23m which I was real happy with!

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    Robert Munro
    Robert Munro
    1 year ago

    Today I chose ‘Surprise me’ and seemed to be offered petit KOM which was fine. I thought I would do it plus another ride. However, just after starting a sign told me I was doing Ven Top. I’d a couple of hours to use so I went for it. However, nearing the summit none of the usual timing stuff appeared and when I summited I was a few metres short of a mountain.

    That surprised me all right! Luckily I have the badge so no big deal..

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    Dave Schoepel
    Dave Schoepel
    1 year ago

    I’ve done this route 8 times (even rode two loops of it for 110 miles), but it no longer shows up on the Veloviewer leaderboard anymore? It seems there are three versions now for the route, mine are listed as “From the Banner” and started by selecting route in Zwift before starting it. How in the world am I supposed to know which one counts and how do I make sure the I ride the right route?

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    MATHEW M ROSE
    MATHEW M ROSE(@matrose617)
    1 year ago
    Reply to  Dave Schoepel

    I like the route and have plans to ride it again. I also lost my time in Veloviewer. I’ll check back in if it works now for me. I can’t imagine that selecting the route and riding it would not be good for covering whatever the current ZwiftInsider Verified route is.

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    Wesley Freeburg
    Wesley Freeburg
    1 year ago
    Reply to  Dave Schoepel

    This also true, now, of the Big Loop and Uber Pretzel. Strangely, the “from the Banner” versions of these routes are the Zwift official routes, and these are the one traversed by the vast majority of the riders in Zwift. I was enjoying keeping up with the Rebel Routes (and all the other routes), until Eric began tampering with the routes/segment dimensions recently. I should think the route that grants the achievement badge in Zwift would be the one that governs which route/segment is used for the Veloviewer Zwift Insider leaderboard. It doesn’t make sense. Crickets from Eric when making… Read more »

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    Bobby Mac
    Bobby Mac
    10 months ago

    Eric, you should make a Zwift Insider Strava Segment for the 7 Horsemen route. I’m riding it tomorrow as part of the Norseman series. After you go up the Alpe you descend and finish the race at the top of the EPIC KOM.

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    Weiwen
    Weiwen
    7 months ago

    I just free rode Four Horsemen. Maybe a restatement of what James said below is that this is a really psychologically taxing route! You’re going up the Alpe after the Epic KOM + the Radio Tower, and I really have a love-hate relationship with the Radio Tower. Then after you go down the Alpe, you’ve got a gradual climb on gravel, and gravel does make the distance longer than it seems. Instead of “pedal harder”, one good piece of advice might be to wait for one of the badge hunter events and do this in a group. Drafting helps you… Read more »

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    Ramón
    Ramón
    6 months ago
    Reply to  Weiwen

    Great advice, buy a nice MTB in preparation for the switch. I stopped three times because I didn’t feel I was in the most efficient bike, had to buy one, it’s still quite hard, that jungle

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