How the Race Was Lost: One Race, Two Perspectives

I’ve written quite a few race recaps in this “How the Race Was Lost” series, but today’s takes a novel approach: combining my perspective with that of a teammate who raced the same event.

Mike Lister is a B like myself, although he’s ranked significantly higher (1,536 to my 3,030). He’s a level 36 Zwifter who rides on Team DIRT (as I do) and has over 140 races in his ZwiftPower profile.

We didn’t plan to do this article, but when we happened to choose the same race and finish in very different places, the idea came together. Call it serendipity! The P Race: 2 laps of Watopia’s Waistband, with double draft engaged. Let’s race!

Warmup

I woke up at 6am and went through my standard race prep: weighing in, kitting up, a piece of caffeine gum and some PR lotion on the legs. Then I opened up Zwift and scrolled down the list of active Watopia riders until I found one Michael Knudsen, who I knew was out on Tempus Fugit in the middle of a 24-hour record attempt. He was trying to ride 1000 km in 24 hours, while also fundraising for medical expenses for a friend’s son. 1000 km in 24 hours is no joke, and he needed the help of other Zwifters to ride along and lend him a good draft.

All aboard the Knudsen train!

So I joined Michael’s group for about half an hour, clocking in around 13 miles with a few sprints in their to break the ice. Mike Lister hopped in and rode with me, so we warmed up together in the desert.

The Start

Our B category had 131 riders – quite a large field! And I knew from glancing at ZwiftPower and riding in recent races that we had a fair amount of riders who were, let’s say, “undercategorized.” Given the very flat course, I knew we’d see a steady, hard pace from the beginning as the strongest riders went to the front and pushed watts to string out the group and create a selection. My plan was to race as conservatively as possible so I had as much left in the legs for the final desert sprint.

As it turns out, I didn’t have any choice but to sit in, because the pack was flying. Someone at the front was pushing the pace, and it was all I could do to maintain a position as a tailgunner in the front pack!

Mike shared my experience, saying “Being a long race I planned on trying to sit in on the flats to conserve energy which was just as well as the race went off like a rocket. Checking out the segments after the race showed I achieved a PB for Fuego Flats Forward although my power output wasn’t over the top.”

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Our starting group averaged just under 30 mph on Fuego Flats, and by the time we hit the short rise into the redwoods the front was whittled down to around 60 riders. This is where the next major selection of the race occurred. Mike says:

“As we approached the incline out of the desert I moved up the pack to give myself a bit of breathing room to glide through the pack. As we went up and over the pack split into two large groups with a 6-second gap in between. I expected the groups to coalesce back into one super blob but whether it was the determination of the front of the race or the effect of the double draft, this didn’t happen, leaving a leading group of around 30 riders.”

Unfortunately, I was caught on the wrong side of this split as the pack hammered its way over the top and down through the redwoods. A stupid mistake, because I know the group always strings out and riders get dropped in this section. But some combination of my legs not feeling strong and my brain not thinking quickly led to the screenshot below, which no racer wants to see:

The deadly gap

That’s a strung-out pack right there, and that’s a gap that we would not close down. Race over for me – I was now in the chase group!

The Middle

The miles flew by, and up the road, the effort required to hang with the front group began to wear on Mike as he worked to complete his first lap of Watopia’s Waistband:

“As we went through the switchbacks, Italian village and Volcano my legs were starting to suffer. My participation in the DIRT Sprintalooza the day before was fun but might not have been the best preparation. The speed was so high I took a minute off my Waistband PB, which I’d set in January in a single lap DADurday race. However, today I had a second lap to go!”

The middle portion of my race wasn’t particularly interesting – we settled into a more doable pace, and our group of 15 or so slowly grew as we gobbled up riders who were being dropped from the front of the race in ones and twos. (With double draft enabled it’s nearly impossible for a group of 1-3 riders to stay away from a group of 10 or more.)

On Mike’s second lap he succumbed to the group’s high pace:

“As we headed back into the desert I managed a bit of respite in the pack but soon the terrain started rolling again and riders started to drop off the back. Unfortunately, as we entered the Italian Village for the second time I found myself at the back of the group and a gap formed a couple of riders ahead of me and we lost contact with the front. I kicked myself for not being further up the pack, but in reality, I was suffering and that was the real reason I was at the back of the pack. I did attempt a half-hearted sprint to try and get back on but even a 4-second gap was too much for me. “

I stayed off the front of our chase group, except for one little dig on the climb snaking up from the fishing village in our second lap. My legs just didn’t have it today, but I decided to make it a “race within the race,” pretending like my group was the front group and I needed to conserve for the final sprint.

The End

Nearing the final sprint

Mike’s ending would come 2 minutes sooner than mine, and although he was no longer with the front group, he was happy with his race so far. “A top 20 finish from 131 entrants was in the cards which I was pretty happy with considering it was my first race over 40 km in 6 months.” Mike would finish in 17th according to the in-game results, but 8th according to ZwiftPower.

My chase group had swelled to around 25 riders by the time we turned off of Ocean Boulevard and hit the long drag up to the desert finish line. The wattage ramped up a bit, but the pace was still very doable. I sat in, riding near the front but out of the wind, planning to grab onto the wheel of whoever jumped first! (Without a powerup to help I didn’t fancy my chances at a longer attack.) My plan worked well, and only one rider from our group finished ahead of me. 36th place in-game, 18th on ZwiftPower.

See my activity on Strava >
See my activity on Zwift >
See Mike’s activity on Zwift >
See race results on ZwiftPower >

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Takeaways

I’ve ridden the P race many times over the last year, since it fits nicely into my Saturday morning routine of riding 60-80 miles with a longer race effort somewhere in the middle. It’s interesting to compare the data between this P race and those I’ve done in the past. Same route, but more riders – and more sandbaggers!

Even without sandbaggers, as a general rule in Zwift races, overall speeds increase as pack size increases. But this race also had some significant sandbagging going on: check out the power numbers from the front finishers!

I’m looking forward to Zwift’s new anti-sandbagging green cones to begin doing their work in community races soon.

My other takeaway from this race was a lesson I apparently needed to re-learn: that I can’t tailgun into an attack section and expect to come out of it in touch with the front group. I have to force myself to get closer to the front before these sections begin, so I avoid the gaps which will open and I can stay in touch even if I drift back a bit in the group.

What About You?

Have you ever lost a race due to ill-advised tailgunning? Have you noticed that Zwift pelotons have swollen in size and increased in pace lately? Share your thoughts below!

Eric Schlange
Eric Schlangehttps://zwiftinsider.com
Eric runs Zwift Insider in the spare time he finds between riding his bike and managing various business interests. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife Monica. Follow on Strava

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Blake Chaney
Blake Chaney
6 years ago

Nice recap. I wish Watopia waistband had some extra banner to pick up a power up halfway through or so to make things a little more interesting… and easier to hang on if you pick up a little boost in the form of a van/aero/feather!

wheresscott
wheresscott
6 years ago

Why is there such a big difference from in game placing to zwift power placing?

The_Sageman
The_Sageman
6 years ago
Reply to  wheresscott

Likely because people cheat in game…However, if you sign up with Zwiftpower, cheaters are usually found out easily. Zpower assesses watts per kilo and heart rates to validate your efforts. So if that guy doing 7.5wpk has a heart rate avg of 120, well, poof, see ya later…

Race cos it’s fun and race to improve YOUR ability. Nevermind the cheaters, they only cheat themselves per old friend Damon Rinard.

sven
sven
6 years ago
Reply to  The_Sageman

Sage words Sageman! Race ’cause its fun and makes you better!

MHolden
MHolden
6 years ago
Reply to  wheresscott

I think the biggest reason I have found is simply because to be in Zwift Power listing, you need to create an account, sign up and link your Zwift and ZP.
Then, yes, there are also a few people in the race who will also get filtered out.

Oscar Breugelmans
Oscar Breugelmans
6 years ago

I was in my first crit race yesterday. I am a cat C rider. First 43 riders were all way over 3 w/kg with the winner posting 7.5 w/kg. Green cones flying everywhere, but no fun yet for me. With these #$@holes riding around the real C riders are already off the back after 2 km. Hope Zwift sandbagging rules will start to pay off soon.

Geert Caberg
Geert Caberg
6 years ago

It is very sad racing on Zwift these last weeks… Have to admit I lost my interest somewhat because of the huge increase of cheaters. Sorry, I will call them this… I know there are many reasons. Bad configuration of trainers, wrong weight, zwift glitches, wrong cat,… But whatever it is, it is cheating. It is the riders responsibility to have these things in order when starting to compete in races. It is just no fun anymore. You are riding till your legs fall off just to end in a low ranking with super riders in front of you…. If i need to believe this, there are many GREAT riders in the world, many which would deserve a PRO contract. And not to mention how many riders without HR sensor. You bought a trainer for god know how much money, but a simple HR sensor is to much???? On youtube you see nowadays many videos of pro riders who are racing on Zwift, they are often riding to the max. I will not say they always should win.. experience in the game is also very valuable, but if you see their wattages…. Then there are some real superhumans who missed the chance to dominate the cycling sport. They would be Sagan, Bernal, MVDP, Froome, Boonen, Merckx,.. all in one. Hope Zwift manages to get solutions to these problems, it just takes the fun out of Zwift racing.

The_Sageman
The_Sageman
6 years ago
Reply to  Geert Caberg

I suggest signing up with Zwiftpower…. it has anti cheating protocols in place. You’ll need a power meter and heart rate monitor however. It’s worth it in my eye.

Geert Caberg
Geert Caberg
6 years ago
Reply to  The_Sageman

I have an account on zwiftPower… but there is no fun crossing the line 20th and see you are 3th on ZwiftPower.. I was not yet fortunate enough to win a race. But imagine, you cross the line 7th. And 30 minutes later you see you actually won the race… where is the fun. If you win you want to see yourself cross the line as first. You want to put your arms in the air as soon as you finish. Not after 30 minutes thinking “where did I do wrong, what could I do better”

sven
sven
6 years ago
Reply to  Geert Caberg

I wonder if Zwift could add feature so that can you can only sign up/enter certain events if have zwiftpower account – filter out the sandbaggers before the race, rather than after?

MHolden
MHolden
6 years ago
Reply to  Geert Caberg

Wait, I’m not suppose to raise my hands after I finish?? Just surviving is winning 🙂

Jarrad Bird
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Jarrad Bird(@jbird)
6 years ago
Reply to  Geert Caberg

Racing on Zwift is what you make it…
I race to get better, to release competitive energy, to enjoy the tactics and strategy and just for the fun of it. If I can’t hold onto the front group, I’m racing the rider next to me. If I can dropped by myself, I’m racing the rider 10 seconds up the road.
Zwift racing is really young in the scheme of sports, let a lone e-sports! The best part is that there is always another race to forward to! 🙂

Renzo Castro
Renzo Castro(@rgcastro7)
6 years ago

I enjoyed reading this! The simultaneous perspectives were interesting.

Let’s hope that the anti-sandbagging features work well and get implemented soon.

The_Sageman
The_Sageman
6 years ago

Hey Eric, love your recaps and whatifs… the bane of any Zwift racer!… In fact, not too long ago in the Cat A of Stage 4 Jungle Circuit of T of W, the race ended with a false flat leading into a corner with a minor 3-5 % ramp. The whole thing was only about 700m… I know the route and told myself be in the front 10 at 700m to go… The first lap finish was ideal, top 15 and then slingshot through the corner … Lap 2 : Disaster. The final 2km was prepping for final 700m… We get to the false flat and I’m in last position. I had to sprint to get to the front only for them to sprint the last 200m. I almost caught first but no gas left in the tank to pass for the win. Another lesson learned. I shoulda moved up before the false flat so as not to burn fuel. Next time!

Good luck to you in your next race!

Mark Larson
Mark Larson
6 years ago

I have a hard time doing longer races just for that reason. If the sandbaggers take off early I’m left with a hard workout and the hopes I backslide in on ZwiftPower a couple hours later.

Ward
Ward
6 years ago

I rode my first B race today, just up from C so I’m at the very tail end of C

seems like I’m finding myself among D and C racers who are on Zpower rather than power meters and a more than a couple of them are badly sandbagging. riding in very un natural ways. seemed like every time they got in trouble off the back of the back they seemed to come back… almost as if they were reducing the resistance on their trainer as needed to stay with the group.

seemed weird that in my first B race, I spent a ton of time drafting Zpower D riders….

The_Sageman
The_Sageman
6 years ago
Reply to  Ward

I know the feeling several times over from moving up from D to C to B and then hovering at the lowest rung of A… if you moved up to B, then I suggest doing shorter races of 20km or less ,like crits, so you can go full gas and not get destroyed and maybe even, you know, have some fun doing it. Stay in C for longer races so you can enjoy that to. Gradually increase the race distance in B so your body can adapt to holding the watts. Eventually you’ll be able to hang with the peloton in B… if you’re willing to put the work in. It hurts like hell, but it sure is fun! Good luck dude!

Aoi Niigaki
Aoi Niigaki
6 years ago

Speaking of anti-sandbagging green cones. I’d just finished a ZHQ Crit Race and one of the ZHQ Beta Crit races was about to start with none other than Eric Min competing in B cat. I wasn’t in the race but I could see the pre-race comments being posted. Eric was explaining the anti-sandbagging and seemed to indicate that if you received a green cone of shame then your performance would be reduced (I’d have to load the log file to see the exact quote). Which was interesting as after the race I looked up his profile on the companion app (you can do this yourself if you like) and for that activity one of the screenshots seems to show Eric getting a green cone with 500 metres to go (probably because he was doing 8.3w/kg for 60 seconds). He still managed to win the B race by 5 seconds. Seems like a bit more work is needed.

https://www.zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=512840

Mat Davies
Mat Davies
6 years ago
Reply to  Aoi Niigaki

I came 4th in that race! Didn’t see Eric’s green cone. I noticed the pace was easier than usual for the majority of the race (although it is a Zwift race – so still pretty brutal). It was basically decided in the last half-lap (annoyingly I burned a powerup accidentally in the first half of the last lap – although i definitely didn’t have the legs for the win!).

I think people are a bit concerned about being green coned so not pushing the pace as much in the early stages. It doesn’t look like the cone itself is too restrictive at the moment, so it’s more of a stigma. I agree that they need to do something to, as this clearly won’t stop people who are unaware or just plain don’t care!

Delmas Vincent
Delmas Vincent
6 years ago

For sure it’s going faster and faster, but the cheaters are annoying and hopefully zwift will be able soon to disqualify them. Apart from that we are lucky to have the chance to practice our favorite sport like this I this period..
Thanks for sharing your experiences like you do, it’s a piece of sunshine to read that you’re not the only one suffering
Cheers

Carolina-Mike
Carolina-Mike
6 years ago

It was just as bad yesterday, but with an even larger field!

I’m still not convinced their drafting algorithm is right. Should be more of an effect when sheltering in a group that large on the flats.

We ended up developing a nice race within the race with our group of 40 or so. I think that is the new normal until they launch the new category system.

Mike
Mike
6 years ago

is it possible that there are so many good engines out there that just can’t actually ride at 65km around a corner, body there way through a sprint and stay upright in a 200 person pack? Pro bicycle racing is no where on Zwift. Watts strat races sure with many “sand baggers” ” I once wieghed 70kg” even insider suggests using 30% trainer setting so you don’t feel the hill changes and need to use your gears…. It is what it is, I hope you can tell the difference

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