Why are Zwift’s Pace Partners So Slow Today?

Why are Zwift’s Pace Partners So Slow Today?

UPDATE: as quickly as it came, it left. Just a couple hours after this post went live, Zwift reverted the Pace Partners back to drafting mode. Some of them, at least. Learn more here >

Yesterday reports started drifting in that the Pace Partner bots had slowed down dramatically. One Zwifter told us it felt like C. Cadence was around 5kph slower than usual.

So what’s going on?

Based on forum posts, it appears Zwift has turned off drafting for each of the Pace Partners. So while you experience the benefits of the draft, the Pace Partners do not.

Why would Zwift make this change? They haven’t said, but our guess is it’s to provide a more consistent pack speed. When the Pace Partners aren’t affected by the draft, their speeds should stay more constant and predictable.

Testing to Confirm

We tested this ourselves to confirm – setting up a bot with the same parameters as each of the Pace Partners, then joining the Pace Partner ride before enabling a firewall setting which hid all other riders. If the Pace Partners weren’t drafting, that means our rider would keep pace with the Pace Partner while riding alone at the same weight and wattage.

There are some unknowns here, of course – we don’t know what sort of virtual frame and wheels the Pace Partners use, and we don’t know their height, either. But our test confirmed that the Pace Partners aren’t enjoying the benefits of the draft – after a few kilometers of riding alone, our riders were still within a few meters of the Pace Partner.

New Speeds

Based on our quick observations, the Pace Partners are now traveling at significantly lower speeds, meaning you can sit in with them at much lower wattage:

  • Dan Diesel now travels at 29-31kph on flat ground. (His speed has changed the least, since drafting matters less at slower speeds.)
  • C. Cadence now travels around 34-35kph instead of 40-41kph. Most nearby riders were doing 1.4-1.8w/kg to sit in.
  • Bowie Brevet now travels at 38-39kph, with most riders nearby doing 2.4-2.6w/kg.
  • Amelia Anquetil rides a route with lots of dirt and hills, so it was hard to figure out her new speed. But she had a slightly larger group of followers than usual, and definitely moved slower than usual on faster paved flats and descents.

A Quick Survey

Zwift is no doubt getting a lot of feedback from their exit survey which pops up after riding with Pace Partners. Our guess, after taking a bit of a straw poll in the various Pace Partner groups, is that the feedback with this latest change isn’t very positive.

When we asked everyone what they thought of the change, the most common response was “the group moves too slow now!” Zwifters weren’t happy with the change, because it wasn’t what they expected. Example: one Zwifter told us they hopped into the C. Cadence group for a quick race warmup, but immediately dropped the pack because it was moving so slow.

A newer, slower Bowie experience

FutureWorks

It’s worth reminding ourselves that Pace Partners are still officially under Zwift’s FutureWorks banner, meaning they’re still being beta tested by the community and iteratively tweaked by Zwift. So we shouldn’t expect our experience with them to be completely consistent.

That said, this is the most significant change in terms of Pace Partner “feel” since the feature launched, because it dramatically impacts the wattage required to ride with each Pace Partner. So it’s not surprising that it’s raised a bit of a hullabaloo.

Managing Expectations

Our guess is, turning off drafting for the Pace Partners will in fact keep pack speeds a bit more consistent. (This may or may not be a good thing, depending on what you’re using the Pace Partner packs for. If it’s race training, then it’s not a good thing! If it’s for riding with a group at consistent power – then it would be good.)

The bigger challenge, though, is that Zwifters have come to expect a certain effort level with each Pace Partner. And now that effort level is dramatically lower. Additionally, the drop-in screen where you select a Pace Partner hasn’t changed at all, so it only shows the w/kg each Pace Partner is holding – which really isn’t a helpful metric when that Pace Partner isn’t drafting, since your w/kg will be much lower to keep up with them, at least on flats and descents.

For now, we predict that Bowie Brevet’s group will become the largest, since it’s the new “C. Cadence” group in terms of power needed to sit in. It’ll be interesting to see if Zwift keeps this change in place, or rolls it back.

Your Thoughts

What do you think of this latest Pace Partners change? Share below!

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Eric Schlange

Eric runs Zwift Insider in his spare time when he isn't on the bike or managing various business interests. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife, two kids and dog. Follow on Strava

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Evan
Evan
4 months ago

This is a major letdown for me, who uses these bots for longer sessions, just for distance. However, for the people complaining that there should be another bot between C and D, this should be the solution to the problem, even though it’s still the same watts. It just means you’ll require less watts to stay with the bot.

Evan
Evan
4 months ago
Reply to  Evan

…still not a fan though.

Evan
Evan
4 months ago
Reply to  Evan

Looks like they are drafting again-Coco was wayy faster now than earlier today

Jeff Pearson
Jeff Pearson (@misterpearson)
4 months ago

I was riding with COCO yesterday and the pace was around 35kph instead of the usual 40

Jeff Pearson
Jeff Pearson (@misterpearson)
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Pearson

One of the things I loved about the old COCO was the ability to bomb around Tempus or now something a little rolly at 40. The groups were big and lots of banter. Bowie made you choose a hillier route and wasn’t ideal for that kind of a warmup/workout. Thumbs down.

Paul Himes
Paul Himes
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Pearson

Also not great if you were just trying to pad your distance total to meet a goal.

Erik
Erik
4 months ago

great, D is within my range now 😉

Mick Such
Mick Such
4 months ago

Ride with Cadence today after doing TOW Stage 3 rerun. It was quite nice for a spin/warm down. Well done zwift.
I don’t think it’s a bad deal.
If you want to go faster – use the A n B train. 😁. That’s why they are there.

Robert Willemsen
Robert Willemsen
4 months ago
Reply to  Mick Such

I have not tried yet. And yes I think I will switch from diesel to cadance.but in general I think (hope) this will help to stay in the group becausr it’s more consistent. Allways found it though to stay in the group. Mostly I loose the group during the ride. Think the old bots where hard to follow. Hope it’s better now

Paul Himes
Paul Himes
4 months ago

I’ve always used Coco Cadence for warmups before races. As long as they keep the new setup constant, I’m perfectly fine with using Bowie for the same thing. If memory serves, Bowie’s routes are a bit more hilly, which could lead to some issues as the slowdown due to lack of draft won’t affect him as much (and might push me above where I want to be for a race warmup), but I’m game to try.

Oscar Breugelmans
Oscar Breugelmans (@oscar_breugelmans)
4 months ago

If they are more consistent, this is a good change. Riders will move to there new preferred pace partner in no time. But, they should introduce a few more pace partners for smaller increments between groups

Anto
Anto
4 months ago

The problem (for me), is they will be more consitant in terms of speed, as the bots won’t speed up with more riders in the bunch – but the watts you will need to put out to keep in the pack will vary wildly depending on how many people are riding at any point in time. I’d much rather the speed fluctuates and the watts stay more consistent, although this might make for a more realistic power going up and down around climbs and descents.

Ben Pitt
Ben Pitt (@benjamin_pitt)
4 months ago

What a terrible idea. People seemed to be asking for this though, so now they will realise what a horrible way it is to ride in a group.

Basically it makes the pace partners useless for me. Bowie Brevet used to be zone 1/2 for me, now he is z1. So A bot is now my got too bot? What a lonely ride that will be.

Carl J
Carl J
4 months ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

#humblebrag ?

Brian
Brian
4 months ago
Reply to  Ben Pitt

If you liked the B bot then the A bot will be more or less exactly the same with likely the same riders as before. I feel like this should really only potentially bother A guys who now don’t have a faster bot.

Wally
Wally
4 months ago
Reply to  Brian

This actually leaves a huge gap between Bowie and Anquetil, the latter who climbs a lot, and hence requires long efforts at 4wkg to keep up. People looking for a steady ride between 2,5 and 3,8 have no option left now. That’s significant.

John Doe
John Doe
4 months ago

Well good, finally they’re making some twreaks. I almost threw my bike at the wall after several times trying to keep with C.Cadence group – it’s bone chilling that i have to work at 3.1 wkg just to keep up with a 2.5 group. Way more than advertised 164 watts.

Wally
Wally
4 months ago
Reply to  John Doe

You need to work on your drafting skills, instead of throwing your bike at the wall 😉

Peter Higgins
Peter Higgins
4 months ago

This moves D and C closer together, which makes sense. And A is not so out of reach for many. And it is more predictable. A lot of folks will find themselves jumping up a level, but this will work well at the low end.

Jeff Kryvicky
Jeff Kryvicky
4 months ago
Reply to  Peter Higgins

I think it makes more sense to have a bot that compares to the w/kg you race at. I’m absolutely D class, I would love to stay on Diesel for a warm up, and Cadence for a challenge. It just makes sense for consistency.

Jörg
Jörg
4 months ago

As a heavier rider, I don’t like it. It means that following the pace partner will stay roughly the same effort on the uphill, but become less effort on the flat. It doesn’t make it more consistent, but less consistent for hilly routes like the ones Amelia rides.
For mostly flat routes, I hope they increase the w/kg of the pace partners or add additional ones. There is now no good partner for a medium effort ride (~3.3 w/kg) for me, because Amelia is too fast and Bowie is too slow.

Paul Himes
Paul Himes
4 months ago
Reply to  Jörg

As a bigger rider the hills are my concern as well.

Marco NL
Marco NL
4 months ago

I don’t understand it fully. If the PP travels at a more consistent speed, and pack speed is at least partly determined by the number of riders in the pack, wouldn’t it make for a less consistent ride? I.e. during peak hours the required effort to travel at PP speed will be less than when you ride (almost) alone? Let alone when you descend with a group versus the PP without draft? Sounds pretty off-balancing to me, but I’m mainly riding outside now so haven’t had a chance to check for myself.

Tim Schneider
Tim Schneider (@tasmobile)
4 months ago

Our guess, after taking a bit of a straw poll in the various Pace Partner groups, is that the feedback with this latest change isn’t very positive.” Change is bad!

Harry Roberts
Harry Roberts (@harryroberts)
4 months ago

Another thing to consider is that it in fact is easier, requires less effort, on the flat to stay with a pace partner but the hills where drafting isn’t as significant are harder. If you want a constant effort on flats and hills you won’t get it with this setup.

Paul Himes
Paul Himes
4 months ago
Reply to  Harry Roberts

This was my main concern about the change.

Aoi Niigaki
Aoi Niigaki
4 months ago
Reply to  Harry Roberts

This is the problem I had yesterday. Riding with the A partner I was the only rider but I could draft at 3w/kg (if there was a group it might have been even easier) but I needed to match the A partner and do 4.2w/kg up hills. The B partner rode the sand and sequoias route and on the flat you only needed 2w/kg but through Titans Grove you needed to be doing 3.2w/kg to keep up on the hills.

Jr10021
Jr10021
4 months ago

Coco at 40kph doing flat routes was perfect for me for nice steady efforts and ticking up Kms, and the observation that she was very popular suggests this was a good sweet spot. She is now too slow, and going with a faster partner also means doing a more hilly route and therefore a totally different type of effort. Hope it changes back, or a partner is added doing faster/flatter routes.

Paul Himes
Paul Himes
4 months ago
Reply to  Jr10021

I had hoped that, when they added more routes for Coco (and all the PP) they’d add a new one that just did Tempus Fugit at ~40 kph. A flat, distance-eating partner is perfect for lots of things.

Mothy Argen
Mothy Argen
4 months ago
Reply to  Paul Himes

Totally agree with you there! Just finished a ride and rode away from Coco doing just over 2W/Kg (~210W). Chasing Bowie up the hills is no go whilst rehabbing a knee. So Eric’s comment about drafting being back on doesn’t seem to ring true everywhere – I’m in Australia, in case that makes a difference.

Carl J
Carl J
4 months ago
Reply to  Jr10021

She’s now doing the speeds that she was doing a couple of months ago. I think the speed pump is fairly new (when they switched up the weekly partner routes). Before I could sit in the group doing 2-2.2wKg. But before this change, that went up to over 2.5wKg (from 175W to 210W+)

Darin Boyd
Darin Boyd
4 months ago

It’s ironic as I had commented before that I thought this would be a good thing to try, but I have to say I don’t think it works well, at least in current form. I can see that it is possible to just jump to the next category up, but even riding with Bowie last night, he was slower than the old Coco pace on the flats. The KOM was okay, but on the descent of the KOM the small group jumped ahead of him by several seconds really quickly toward the bottom, and you had to almost stop pedaling… Read more »

Paul Himes
Paul Himes
4 months ago
Reply to  Darin Boyd

The Halloween bots had variable power outputs, but that was a real PITA as set up.

Mark
Mark
4 months ago

Hope that Zwift reverts this change. The pacer BOTs are the best thing to happen in Zwift over last couple years. They were nearly perfect, now totally messed up.

Ryan
Ryan
4 months ago

Normally I dislike Zwift comparisons to IRL, but for local club rides I often see paces advertised at a particular speed (e.g. 31-33kph). Could that work here? If C Cadence isn’t drafting we will know her avg pace for a particular route. Then the only variable affecting your effort will be how many riders are in the group (just as IRL, setting aside your clubmates showing off).
Or are we forever attached to w/kg?

Dan Connelly
Dan Connelly
4 months ago
Reply to  Ryan

You must live in a flat area :). The clubs in the San Francisco Bay area advertise a pace on the flats, and a rate of climbing on climbs. The nice thing about W/kg is it does a decent job of capturing both. The issue here is whether the flat W/kg is the value to draft (old method) or the value to pull (new method).

Ryan
Ryan
4 months ago
Reply to  Dan Connelly

Actually I live in the foothills of the Rockies, where true the advertised paces don’t mean much except for on the flats (and even then it’s quite windy). Not the extreme bumps of SF though.

JTWO
JTWO
4 months ago

This is a fantastic change!! The 3.2 bot drives up climbs at 3.2 and does not produce 4.1w/kg fliers on the flats. Thank you Zwift. I imagine for all those super B riders pulling A pace sandbagger watts this must be an adjustment. This should make the A bot group much larger. Maybe a “Super A” bot pulling at 5w/kg is needed now for that super micro group that used to be A.

dan
dan
4 months ago
Reply to  JTWO

you just stick to your doping; we already know about you

Steve Hellaby
Steve Hellaby
4 months ago

Surely the answer is just to go up a group.

Jörg
Jörg
4 months ago
Reply to  Steve Hellaby

No, because that also means other courses with more ascents, where draft doesn’t help as much. The change made Bowie slower on the flat, but not Amelia on the climbs.

Andrew Hunter
Andrew Hunter
4 months ago

Regular Coco group rider here. Great start to a training session before joining any group rides. Sometimes the group is fab and I just bin the group rides and stick around far beyond my plan. Pace now not what I’m looking for at all. Might give Bowie a bash. Biggest regret is losing contact with an amazing bunch of Coco regulars every morning. For me the best and most diverse group out there all with needs, different abilities but always gravitating to the Coco train.

Mothy Argen
Mothy Argen
4 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Hunter

Summed up my feelings nicely too Andrew!

Cpt. Obvious
Cpt. Obvious
4 months ago

I cant understand why anyone would use pace bots as a race warmup instead of just loading a race warmup in via workouts and just riding in erg mode, who cares about the speed or distance, the only thing that’s ever mattered is watts and time.

Alex
Alex
4 months ago
Reply to  Cpt. Obvious

Not sure why you are getting all the down votes. To me a specific warmup workup is way superior too. Are people really warming up at even pace? My workout starts with a 5min warmup beginning at 2.5w/kg and gets up to 2x 30sec @ 7.0w/kg to prepare for the opening seconds of the race.

Alex
Alex
4 months ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Thanks for your reply, I can certainly understand that train of thought.

Paul Himes
Paul Himes
4 months ago
Reply to  Alex

Lots of reasons I prefer C. Cadence. I can sit on the back of the pack, sprint to the front or beyond a couple times to get my power up and then hop back on. I can hang with people rather than doing it solo – the feeling of not being alone is nice. I can get into the mood of staying in a pack and finding draft sweet spots. For TTT, I can pick a rider (or Coco) and work on staying right on their wheel as practice. As someone who rides a dumb trainer (well, rollers) with a… Read more »

Rachael Elliott
Rachael Elliott
4 months ago

Awful decision! I love riding with Bowie and was dropping him doing 2.5wkg. Bowie has become a C-D effort. Antequil (or whatever her name is) haunts around routes which are not enjoyable. I left the pacer bot last night and a group of us formed our own group. Zwift – please please please bring back the old settings!

Carl J
Carl J
4 months ago

Dropping Bowie doing 2.5wKg? I was pushing at least 2.5wKg to keep up with Coco (when you choose a partner, it evens says/said that Coco will be doing 2.5wKg and Bowie I think was supposed to be 3.2wKg)

Christian
Christian
4 months ago

I think they should increase the power of the pacers to achieve the previous speeds, but overall this is a good change. The B. Brevet group was a very different effort for me depending on whether there was a rider there to pull Bowie at 4.5 w/kg or not. It seems some riders liked to join the group and just stay at the front the whole ride, making for a much harder ride than when Bowie also got to the front on the flats.

Mitchell
Mitchell (@mitchell)
4 months ago

Ride a tt bike

Stuart Lynne
Stuart Lynne (@sl)
4 months ago

Was better before.

If they leave it as is they need to bump up the W/kg for B, C and D groups to achieve a (hopefully) more consistent pack but at the average W/kg previously required for participants.

I won’t comment on the A group as I always thought W/kg was set too high for that pacer. Possibly now it might be better. Rare to see too many people following the A pacer.

Jim
Jim
4 months ago

Why would Zwift expect speeds for the bots to be consistent? Between hills and blob sizes, their speeds *should* vary.

Marc Hamlin
Marc Hamlin
4 months ago

I only use the Pace Partner feature when I need a recovery ride, so Dan Diesel it is, but he’s pokey- speeds up/slows down based on terrain, yes, but at the end of his lap, he’s “going for it” in the sprint towards the finish. I wish they had a bot that would travel at a consistent pace throughout for something like a recovery ride, where you want to stay below a certain heart rate threshold. I don’t need an in-game sprite to do this. My Garmin 130 makes use of an arrow on the b/w map screen. Zwift has… Read more »

Dan Connelly
Dan Connelly
4 months ago

This makes sense: the power of the group is determined by power to pull, not draft.. Consider the old way: no draft on a climb, so everyone is doing the target W/kg. Then it goes to a descent and flat. Bot keeps motoring along at same W/kg, but can draft riders doing 40% more than that (29% savings). So for a rider who takes a few pulls, the W/kg is higher on the flats than on the climbs. The best you can do by drafting constantly is to keep even power on the climbs and flats (assume height and mass… Read more »

Clifford
Clifford
4 months ago

I noticed it immediately, but the positive will be I get to upgrade to the next pace partner! With the robots drafting, the speed was erratic! Remember, it’s called a “pace” partner and I think the new pace will help me stay consistent in pace and improve my overall riding.
I vote do not return to the old erratic pacing, but let’s all move up to the next level to improve the quality of our riding

Mark Gallagher
Mark Gallagher
4 months ago

So the pace partners as time triallists at their set power. And if you want to ride at that same power as you used to you just need to switch to a TT bike too. Meanwhile others can keep pace as the lower power level needed to stay in the pack around the partner.

Much better than previous where to catch up with the pack or ride TT required you to produce more power than the pace partner.

KBurst
KBurst
4 months ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Yep, Coco is back to 40km/hr

Aoi Niigaki
Aoi Niigaki
4 months ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

How much do Zwift pay you to be their chief spokesperson? I hope it is a full salary because you are doing the work that someone at Zwift should be doing. I don’t know where we’d be without this website. Thank you.

Andrew Hunter
Andrew Hunter
4 months ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

So this morning after rolling out of bed at 0400, 10 mins later I’m creaking into action on the trainer. Assuming the old Coco group had shifted to Bowie for a similar experience, that’s where I headed. OMG, almost dropped instantly as pack decended from the Dino KOM. Massive unplanned surge to catch and then cling. Hardest 30 mins warmup ever and not what I had intended for that time in the morning! Your update goes someway to an explanation – thank you!😀

curtis
curtis (@crepen)
4 months ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

The quantity and intensity of responses to this thread should be a clear indication that the pace partners are the best Swift improvement of the last couple of years at least. Rather than monkeying with the existing bots, maybe they should just add a B+, C+ and D+ bot in between? Or flat/sharp bots, flat for flat and sharp for hilly.

Mothy Argen
Mothy Argen
4 months ago
Reply to  Eric Schlange

Hey Eric, just finished a ride and Coco wasn’t drafting for me. Rode away from her at well under 2.5W/Kg multiple people complaining again. Miss the regulars I used to see in that group, and the pace/way it flowed on flatish routes which I need ATM.

codyish
codyish (@codyish)
4 months ago

This is probably better in the long run. Every time I saw A. Anquetil ride by there were usually about 3 people with her. Riding in any of the other groups may have average the labeled w/kg range but usually involved alternating between much higher and then painfully soft-pedaling to not drop the group.

David Fuller
David Fuller
4 months ago

Pretty awful update to be fair. Why advertise a wkg for the pacebot if that’s not what the group will roughly ride at, other than uphill? I rode C, B then A and all were 1wkg low other than climbing, for the whole group, not just me.

Eric
Eric
4 months ago

The most important part of this article is the last header. Zwift is abysmal at expectation management. In fact they’re worse than abysmal if you consider they actually raise expectations occasionally, only to not deliver.

It happens that I was recommending they turn off drafting for pace partners in the feedback – should improve the consistency of the pace. But perhaps all the had to do was up the watts to compensate for the change so the pace didn’t change, only the consistency.

Maybe that’s what they ‘fixed’ with the updated update.

Gbeliera
Gbeliera
4 months ago

Coco was the by far the biggest group on Zwift for a good reason, pace was perfect for most that wanted to do a good pace and distance. Also, it was perfect for a warmup for a ride or race before. I liked that Coco changed routes from time to time for variety. I loved doing the Coco bot because many regulars rode it and the banter was fun and inviting. For me, it was perfect. I heard a saying some time ago, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” I didn’t think Coco or other bots were broken.

Thorsten
Thorsten
4 months ago

That’s excellence! Love it. For a sub 3w/kg FTP rider like me it’s really good news. Often C felt already too fast. Now I have more options with recovery rides with D and normal rides in C group.
Can’t wait to try it out tomorrow!

Chris Greenway
Chris Greenway (@chris-greenway)
4 months ago

Perhaps they could have advertised this ‘experiment’ first, but good to see Zwift exploring options in order to improve the experience… even if this one wasn’t less popular.
I can only hope they now turn their attention with improving the awful effects of sticky draft

Carl J
Carl J
4 months ago

Eric, funny that you brought this up, I’ve been meaning to ask you about something similar. Just before New Years I did a “long” Zwift ride, and for part of it I was caught by the C. Cadence group and averaged around 175Ws for quite a while (25Kms I think). Recently, I’ve been having to do about 210Ws to keep up with C. Cadence (which would calculate to the advertised wKg). I think this change happened when they added in the weekly course rotation. And then there’s D. Diesel, which I find a bit too slow for a good decent… Read more »

Carson
Carson
4 months ago

I always found the draft effect on the pace partner annoying. What’s the point of have a constant power benchmark if the benchmark drops you on the downhills and gets dropped on the ups?

Derek
Derek (@dpr4473)
4 months ago

Why not just turn draft off for everyone. The goal after all is to use the bot as a pacer. If Bowie is riding along at 3.2wkg, so should you, right?

Derek
Derek (@dpr4473)
4 months ago

What would actually be kind of cool is individual pacer bots. Perhaps invisible to other riders, but something you can use as a workout, a bot that YOU can set the w/kg of.

JonM
JonM
4 months ago

Coco still going slow, riding at 1.7w/kg still riding away, normally I need to hold same wattage to stay with pace partner

BigBazza
BigBazza (@barryfowler)
4 months ago

Coco was still spinning at a slower speed this morning – lots of groups breaking off the front again. Riders enjoy having a faster bot on the flat for race warmups etc – no issue with the bots going slower, but suggests we need a broader range with more pacing options, flat and hilly

Tim
Tim (@tim-elliott)
4 months ago

I’m a really big fan of pace partners, but I wish they’d ride gradients like everyone else i.e. increase W/kg going uphill and reduce it going downhill. It’s harder to keep up with B Brevet going down a hill than up which is all kinds of wrong! Doesn’t need to be huge, maybe 0.3W/kg change on >2% incline would make it more realistic?

Mike
Mike
4 months ago
Reply to  Tim

Again, why its harder downhill is because riders recover on downhill and the bot dont. And on the uphill the riders push. If the group push on uphill the bot will be dropped fast as many do. But when the downhill starts riders want to coast or recover some. Turn off bot draft on downhill and on at uphill and flat.

Rick Mosher
Rick Mosher
4 months ago

CoCo was slow again this morning but Bowie was normal pace.

Arend
Arend
4 months ago
Reply to  Rick Mosher

Yeah, I had the choice of riding at 120w with C or 250w with B

Andrew Hunter
Andrew Hunter
4 months ago
Reply to  Rick Mosher

Concur with that, Bowie ripped my legs off

Alan Cohen
Alan Cohen
4 months ago

This change is nonsensical. If a pacer is at 2.5, a rider should expect to ride at 2.5 not 1.6. This makes only the A a challenge for most riders. Hope they change back.

dan
dan
4 months ago

all they need is an algorithm to apply to the bots power; gradient x given watt = output. steeper gradient will increase the watts output, lesser gradients will decrease; this will make it more normal instead of bot coming to a crawl on accents, and powering away on decents.

Andrew Linquist
Andrew Linquist
4 months ago

This change was a solution in search of a problem. And I agree with the others – the solution doesn’t make any sense.

Steven Hartt
Steven Hartt
4 months ago

Rode with C this am, and looks like she is slow again! 😤

Walter Park
Walter Park
4 months ago
Reply to  Steven Hartt

What route is c doing today?

KBurst
KBurst
4 months ago

I rode with D Diesel this afternoon and he was riding faster than usual, 33.8 km/hr. I switched to C Cadence and the pace was only 35km/hr, slower than normal. Then after about five minutes she changed pace to 40 km/hr. The developers must be testing different scenarios. I feel like a lab rat on a treadmill.

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